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Do these border crossing records work the same way as when we order records from LDS FHC? Where is it located.....besides the 1916 records, I think there are others I'd like to look at....

Peggy Delgado

Joseph,   I am a very good reader but I can't say whether I have a good voice or not, I can volunteer and if I don't do a good job you can feel free to let me know and no feelings hurt. I am a lector at our church and have been told by many that I have good tone, enunciation and inflection.   Let me know............Alicia Carrillo

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Needed: Actors, Readers, Interested Individuals.

the Author Historian Rubén Sálaz Márquez has given me permission to produce his play Dialog of the Dead. I'm been given limited permission to produce the play only for the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast. I'm looking for volunteers to read each part.
If you have a good voice and can read well I would encourage you to read over the part you are interested in and lets start recording.

http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm

Parts available: 
Narrator (female), Chicano, Above-It-All, María (female), Latino, Immigrant (female), Hispano. Heckler, Policeman, Immigration Officer (female)

Joseph Puentes
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com

ps: please forward this to anyone you know in the community that might have a good picoso voice and good reading skills.

Yo! I'm in if you can't find anyone else. Marge

On Feb 23, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> Needed: Actors, Readers, Interested Individuals.
>
> the Author Historian Rubén Sálaz Márquez has given me permission to
> produce his play Dialog of the Dead. I'm been given limited permission
> to produce the play only for the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast. I'm
> looking for volunteers to read each part. If you have a good voice and
> can read well I would encourage you to read over the part you are
> interested in and lets start recording.
>
> http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm
>
> Parts available: 
>
> Narrator (female), Chicano, Above-It-All, María (female), Latino,
> Immigrant (female), Hispano.
> Heckler, Policeman, Immigration Officer (female)
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
>
> ps: please forward this to anyone you know in the community that
> might have a good picoso voice and good reading skills.
>
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Reposting this from the new website.  I guess it didn't work when I replied to the message...???   here it goes - a cut and paste from the new website:     I'm very excited to be meeting all the So. Cal members, although I'm very shy and a little nervous. Can't wait! Peggy Delgado p.s.....testing this on the new site.....I really like it and have posted some files and pix.... So I guess this doesn't work like the Yahoo/Ranchos thing were a notification goes out about new files being posted? edit | reply »  

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This is the last call for anyone in the Southern California area who
is interested in attending our first Ranchos meeting this Saturday. A
few people have dropped out, so if you're still interested, please let
me know ASAP by emailing me at rosalindamruiz@... .

The location is Rowland Heights. Let's make this a big success.

I'd also like to thank Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes for her generosity and
thoughtfulness.

Thanks,

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

Message from aajay1073 aajay1073@...

Yolanda,

As Arturo says, the versions are currently not the same. Sometimes
you are not allowed to open a later version file in an earlier
version program. If you run into this problem...this is what I do.
Create an export file and then open it up in the PAF 4.0 program
creating a PAF 4.0 file. I usaually name this new file differently
and make it read-only so that I only make updates in my original
file. I usually run reports for my parents in Spanish. I think they
come out nicely.

- Angie

Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...

For anybody who would like to donate, please send the money to my
attention. If you would like to send a personal check, please send it
my name, and I will have my father deliver it in cash or a single
combined money order. There are no banks in Totatiche and therefore
dealing in personal checks can be troublesome. I will of course obtain
a receipt for your donation.

If you do not feel comfortable doing this, please obtain a postal money
order in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar, as some of the shops in
town exchange money orders.

My mailing address is:

Arturo Ramos
1225 13th Street NW Apt 412
Washington DC 20005

Message from Margarita Vallazza teacozygran@...

I'll be glad to send a donation as well. Marge Vallazza:)
On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:19 PM, arturoramos2 wrote:

>
> Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar,
> "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a
> number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to
> publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as
> well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of
> Totatiche.
>
> He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the
> only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from
> Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
> filmed as we speak.
>
> He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish
> these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I
> have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. 
> My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I
> would like to send the donation down with them.  Please let me know if
> you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount.  I will
> make the donation on behalf of the group and will list the names of
> the contributors in my letter to him.
>

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Arturo,                where can I send a donation for this project?       Arturo Romero
arturoramos2 wrote:

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them.  Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount.  I will make the donation on behalf of the group and will list the names of the contributors in my letter to him.

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Message from Alberto Duarte albertodua@...

Good information.

I have one also, what about the last name Garcia de la
Cadena-some of my relatives went with Garcia and
others went with Cadena (which I'm having a problem
finding). Can anyone from Zacatecas Jerez help me
with this one?

Alberto Duarte

Message from arturoramos2 arturo.ramos2@...

In response to your question:

It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?

The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities.

There appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor. It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.)

FRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA
Male Family
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family
Mother: MARIA AVENDANO
Marriages:
Spouse: SEBASTIANA ANTONIA Family
Marriage: 14 APR 1736 San Miguel, Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico

FRANCO. MARIA BORONDA FLORIDO
Male
Christening: 13 MAR 1746 San Francisco, Villa De Reyes, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family
Mother: JUANA MARCELINA FLORIDO

Message from Stuart Armstrong stuarta@...

arturoramos2,

Thursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:

> Yolanda:

> I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that
> you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation
> that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a
> seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or
> sort by surname these are not taken into account.

> When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the
> same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the
> letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

> I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a

Yolanda:
I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows
entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered
when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together.
I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find
them, but the trouble is, the same name is often (usually) found in
many variations throughout a person's life, depending on who is
doing the recording. So it makes sense to me to use a standardized
spelling and in your SOURCE information make it clear how the name
actually appeared.

Not only are there problems with pre-surnames like DE or DE LA etc.,
but also with spelling variations -- Jiménez and Ximénez, Váladez
and Báldez, Zamarripa and Samarripa to name a few. The are so many
variations of some names that do NOT normally sort together, that
using a standardized form makes sense. I don't know if your software
allows you to enter more than one name set for a person, but if it
does, entering a standardized spelling in addition to the most usual
characteristic form for that person can be beneficial.

One of the most interesting names in my research is de Lara, often
written just Lara, and originally de la Ara.

Then there is the question of what to do with the mother's maiden
name in those families where it is traditional to include that after
the father's surname. Some software provides fields which can be
customized for that purpose. Or what about the use of "de" names in
those instances where it implies a woman's husband's name. I gotta
say, the many forms that Mexican names take is part of the challenge
that makes Mexican genealogy interesting!

Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuarta@...

Message from Yolanda Bobby Perez windrocklili@...

Arturo: I use Family Tree Maker and PAF .  These are the lines I have with DE for our target areas: DE AVILA... DE BUGARIN.... DE CAMPOS... DE CASAS... DE LA GARZA... DE HARO... DE HERRERA... DEL VALLE... DEL REAL... DEL MURO... DE YNIGUES... DE LUNA... DE RIOS If you have any questions on any of these lines let me know. Y MUCHAS GRACIAS POR TU AYUDA.   YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

arturoramos2 wrote:

Yolanda:

I guess the
answer to your question depends on the software that you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.

When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary names were once "DE" names such as Rios was "DE LOS RIOS" or "DEL RIO" and Torres was "DE LA TORRE", etc. so I would not enter such names simply as "TORRE".

What software are you using?  Other than ROBALCALVA, do you have any "DE" names such as those I mention above?
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thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing.



joseph





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Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

there is a DNA testing that they say can tell you what part of Africa
you came from. . .I don't know to much about it other than what they
claim:



http://africanancestry.com/



if you find out when that show will be on next or if its available via
Blockbuster or someplace let us know. I'd like to see it as I share the
same blood as you, well you never know, at least the same as that
coming from the same continent.



joseph







Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the 
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup. Since I have 
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and 
Michoacan  I was very interested in what they had to say.  They shared 
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave trade and that in 
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are the slaves were 
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are making daily 
in genetic testing now being able to isolate genes to find what 
percentages we are of different ethnic backgrounds.  I find this all 
very exciting and hope if you get the chance that you will get to 
watch this very informative show. Even if you have no black ancestors 
the sharing of genetic information and genealogy research methods is 
great and well worth watching.
Linda in Everett






 
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Message from Emilie Garcia auntyemfaustus@...

Linda,
 
I saw that show the other evening, too.  My husband watched too, and
he was amazed.  It was especially interesting to me, since I am discovering
just how many mulato lines I have on my father's side from Zacatecas.  It
should be interesting to whites too to find out that they may have as much as
11% African blood as that genetecist found out (and his mother told him to stop
talking about it-he looked nothing but white), and that someone like the
professor that narrated the show had 50% white blood even though anyone looking
at him would say he was black.  When Oprah saw the documents for her black
slave ancestors and she cried, I cried too.  It was interesting too that
blacks had Asian blood too. 
 
My father's Spanish ancestors, the Olagues and Tinajeros (Felix/Suriano)
were all mulatos by the mid and late 1700's. 
 
I really want to send for those DNA kits now,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:28
PM
Subject: [ranchos] DNA testing
advances

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a
show on the
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup.
Since I have
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco,
Zacatecas and
Michoacan  I was very interested in what they had to
say.  They shared
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave
trade and that in
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are
the slaves were
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are
making daily
in genetic testing now being able to isolate genes to find
what
percentages we are of different ethnic backgrounds.  I find this
all
very exciting and hope if you get the chance that you will get to

watch this very informative show. Even if you have no black ancestors

the sharing of genetic information and genealogy research methods is

great and well worth watching.
Linda in
Everett

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him
because by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville,
they would only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have
one, but that would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so
long for the snail-mail.

don't know to much about it, but i almost got ready to order from them
once and don't remember them wanting to do it via fax only. I thought
they had options for mailing copies and mailing film and yes it was at
a price that had to be in Euros only,



joseph

 
Emilie Garcia
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Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Record
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about Marchion Soriano

Name: Marchion Soriano Year: 1526 Place: America Source Publication Code: 8870 Primary Immigrant: Soriano, Marchion Annotation: Chronological list of passengers to Spanish America (including Florida and Louisiana, 1538-1559). From documents in the "Indian Archives" in Sevilla, 1509-1790. Provides names of emigrants, places of origin, places of departure, and destinations. Vol. 1 s Source Bibliography: SPAIN, ARCHIVO GENERAL DE INDIAS, SEVILLA. Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias durante los Siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII. Edited by the docents of the General Indian Archives under the Director of the Archives, Don Cristobal Bermudez Plata. Sevilla [Spain]: Imprenta de la Gavidia. 3 vols. Vol. 1, 1509-1534. 1940. 515p. Page: 199

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Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

yes you will find the same information on the AER and very very very
much more below is a pinch of what will be found on the AER



joseph



Emilie Garcia wrote:

Joseph,

Below is a copy of what I found today on one of my ancestors in
Ancestry.com.  The original entry in Ancestry.com that I printed out
back in August 2004 said "Extracted from documents in the Archivo
General de Indias in Seville, copies of which are among the holdings of
the Family History Library in Salt Lake City".  Now I notice that this
entry has that sentence truncated after "copies of".  I wonder why they
did that?  Did they not want the public to know that the FHC has those
records, or did the FHC make them eliminate that part?  They only give
some book as a resource. 
 
That time that I tried to navigate the AER online, I got as far
as getting a password and I pulled up any old record, and it was
amazing!  The actual photo of the document from the 1500s appeared on
the screen and it had all kinds of info, but the destination was also
"Nuevo Espana" (like in the one below) not any particular state in
Mexico because there probably weren't any states yet. When I tried to
find my particular surnames, I had no luck in navigating to that point
(too mensa).  Only Ancestry.com gets me to my surnames, but alas, they
don't have the actual scans of the AER documents.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Record
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about Sebastian De Olague

Name: Sebastian De Olague Year: 1568 Place: New Spain Source Publication Code: 3456.9 Primary Immigrant: Olague, Sebastian De Annotation: Date of application for emigration with intended destination. Continuation of nos. 8870-8872, indexed in PILI 1985 and 1989. For further volumes, see nos. 1623.1-1623.2 above. Extracted from documents in the Archivo General de Indias in Seville, copies of Source Bibliography: IRUELA, LUIS ROMERA, and Ma. del CARMEN GALBIS DIEZ. Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias Durante los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII. (Archivo General de Indias, Sevilla.) Seville, Spain: Ministerio de Cultura. Vol. 5, book 1 (1567-1574). 1980, pp. 1-543. Page: 149

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

the instruction are in the Ranchos2 files area. go there and look for
this folder:

Archivos
Espanoles en Red


Instructions for Accessing this Archive of Archives
in Spain



Linda R Romero wrote:

How does one sign up if one doesn't speak Spanish?  Just walk me  
through the words so I can sign up.  In case you're wondering how I  
can research in the Spanish language when I can't read it, I search  
using my family names.  When I get a hit, I make a copy and translate  
it later.  Simple, time consuming, and not very accurate.  But it is  
all I can do.

Linda


 
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Message from leticia leon caleta58@...

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

 

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Message from rosa9972 lareina2@...

I have sent information to all interested parties who have responded
so far, although a few people have mentioned not receiving my replies.

If you have not received my emails concerning the location of the
meeting, please write me at rosalindamruiz@... . Perhaps my
netcom account is not working.

Thanks,

Rosalinda

Message from elviraz elviraz@...

Look up the article about the
Hacienda de Trancoso's "silos of Santa Monica".
 
 
 The
Trancoso hacienda, built between 1660 and 1670, was once part of the Monte
Grande hacienda; its first owner was Captain José Monrreal. Back then he had a
large weaving factory called La Zacatecana.
 
 www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/.../norte/detalle.cfm?idsec=21&idsub=0&idp…

 
 
Elvira
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Susana
Leniski
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:53
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Monte grande


Hello:
 
Can anyone tell me where was "Monte Grande"
in zacatecas?. I thought it was Monte Escobedo but I was wrong. I'm not
sure if it was part of zacatecas or aguascalientes
 
Thanks
Susana
 
 

Message from Santos Luna mistyriver123@...

Sounds like a fantastic trip....Feliz Viaje....and happy trails to you both. I plan on being at the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento in March...hope to see you then. By the way, we are now living 3/10th of a mile, walking distance, from the Family History Center...but have only been there twice since our move...que lastima... Saludos, Helyn

Richard and Kitty Cortez wrote:

Our vacation starts April 6th in Rocklin, CA,  then we spend about 5-
7 days in Ogden, UT where we will meet with Rosalinda and visit the
FHL in SLC again.  The 14th of April we take off  by way of Hiway 80
and head back east to Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.  Before
we arrive back East, we plan
on visiting friends in Chicago, Cousin
in Michigan, and a cyber cousin in Pittsburg.  Those cities are
followed by an Uncle in Richmond, VA, hopefully Joseph in NC, then
friends in GA where we will stay for about 3 days.   After Georgia,
we head up to Paducah, KY for the world's biggest Quilt Show. 
(Hiway 20 and Hiway 40.)  From KY, we hope to make it to a Reyes
Family Reunion in the Houston, TX area.  (Hiway 55 and Hiway 10)
That should be the last week-end of April.  We plan on using  Hiway
10 and Hiway 25 from Houston, thru Albuquerque, NM and then finally
home sometime the first week of May.  We will be puting a few miles
on our RV. 
If we are going to be in your neighborhood, please contact us
offline, we would love to meet you.

Rich and Kitty Cortez
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kittycortez@... (when we travel)
Rocklin,
CA