I just uploaded a map to the albums-->maps area of the group
have a look if you are researching Mazapil (actually I should have put
this map in the Historical Maps section) if you get to looking for it
I just uploaded a map of San Juan de los Lagos and surrounding area to
the albums-->maps area of the group
have a look,
joseph
I just uploaded a map to the albums-->maps section of the group for
Lagos de Moreno and surrounding area. have a look.
joseph
For me right now I'm going to pass on the backSlashes and go with the
ASCII code ALT 255 which puts an invisible space between the names you
want to appears as one name.
here are the answers I received that included suggestions on using the
I just wanted to share a recent experience in my research with the group.
Until recently when I wanted a copy of a document, I would take the film off the viewing machine, sometimes wait to use one of the copiers and then usually get mediocre results from the printer. Some films will not print at all at my FHC because they don't have enough contrast and the printer does not like that.
I had a problem with films that I could barely read on the projector, when I
tried to print them, the results were very disappointing, I couldn't read
them at all. I hope these instructions will work for you and anybody else
who is having the problem.
This are the instructions I was given by the FHC.:
If you are using film that has a gray background do the following procedure:
1.-Click on "Scan from fiche/film"
2.-Click on "Settings" in lower left corner
3.-In "User Preference" block click on "positive". (Use arrow at right of
block to change from "negative" to "positive".)
4.-Set "Brightness" level to desired level
5.-Click "Scan" in lower left.
6.-Continue to adjust brightness and scan until desired image is obtained.
7.-Click "Finished Scanning"in lower right.
8.-Delete all other images before printing. ( if you don't, all images will
be printed.)
To delete images click "Delete" in upper right. This will display the
"delete a file" block.
9.- While in the "Delete a file" block, hold down the "Ctrl" key while
clicking each image you want to delete, then click "delete".
10.-Click "Print" in upper left.
I recommend that you make a hard copy of these instructions and take them
with you to your FHC next time you have some "tough" films to examine.
Good luck.
John Gonzalez (El Horcado)
Wildomar, CA.
John,
I don't think all FHC's have the same machines for copying. Sounds like
yours has a scanner copier set up.
Can you do me a favor and tell me the exact name and model number of the
piece of equipment you are using for the procedure below? Also if the
director has any idea of the cost? Who knows but maybe my FHC will get
one. We just have the kind of copier where you roll the film to the
right place. there is a darker/lighter selection and you click on print
and its done.
joseph
John Gonzalez wrote:
>Arturo:
>
>I had a problem with films that I could barely read on the projector, when I
>tried to print them, the results were very disappointing, I couldn't read
>them at all. I hope these instructions will work for you and anybody else
>who is having the problem.
>
>
>This are the instructions I was given by the FHC.:
>
>If you are using film that has a gray background do the following procedure:
>
>1.-Click on "Scan from fiche/film"
>
>2.-Click on "Settings" in lower left corner
>
>3.-In "User Preference" block click on "positive". (Use arrow at right of
>block to change from "negative" to "positive".)
>
>4.-Set "Brightness" level to desired level
>
>5.-Click "Scan" in lower left.
>
>6.-Continue to adjust brightness and scan until desired image is obtained.
>
>7.-Click "Finished Scanning"in lower right.
>
>8.-Delete all other images before printing. ( if you don't, all images will
>be printed.)
> To delete images click "Delete" in upper right. This will display the
>"delete a file" block.
>
>9.- While in the "Delete a file" block, hold down the "Ctrl" key while
>clicking each image you want to delete, then click "delete".
>
>10.-Click "Print" in upper left.
>
>I recommend that you make a hard copy of these instructions and take them
>with you to your FHC next time you have some "tough" films to examine.
>Good luck.
>
>
>John Gonzalez (El Horcado)
>Wildomar, CA.
>
>
>1gnzlz@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
I have no idea how many FHC's have the equipment that we have here. The
Murrieta , CA. FHC is pretty small, they only have four "Standard"
projectors plus the one attached to a computer. So I figured that possibly
most of the FHC's have the same equipment.
I'll get all the details on the equipment being used at the FHC next
Tuesday. That is the earliest that I can get the information. They have
been closed all week.
The projector is coupled to a computer that has a printer.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
John,
I would say that your center probably has one of the more modern viewers and I will venture a guess and say that it is probably more of an anomaly than the norm.
The Fremont FHC is even smaller. They have 2 regular viewers and 2 smaller ones for smaller film sizes. The viewer that makes the copies is not computerized and in order to change from a positive to a negative you need to change the toner cartridges.
I have learned to take photos of the documents. I bring a sheet of white mat board and set this on the shiny glossy viewer to eliminate the glare. I place a small brightly colored post it note with the film number before I take the photo so the film number is recorded on the photo. I do need a tripod to steady the photo and I will do that soon.
Thanks to all for your good tips.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
Josph:
I have no idea how many FHC's have the equipment that we have here. The
Murrieta , CA. FHC is pretty small, they only have four "Standard"
projectors plus the one attached to a computer. So I figured that possibly
most of the FHC's have the same equipment.
I'll get all the details on the equipment being used at the FHC next
Tuesday. That is the earliest that I can get the information. They have
been closed all week.
The projector is coupled to a computer that has a printer.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
Amazing Arturo, I'm just uploading a Tilt setup you can use to reduce
the angle needed to take digital films. I've almost completely converted
to using digital shots of my records. I bought one of those mini tripods
and that elimates that need to a great extent of needing to hold
perfectly still. Before the tripod I got mixed results now I get almost
100% clear shots.
look in the albums in a few minutes for my tilt set up
joseph
arturoramos wrote:
>I just wanted to share a recent experience in my research with the group.
>
>Until recently when I wanted a copy of a document, I would take the film off the viewing machine, sometimes wait to use one of the copiers and then usually get mediocre results from the printer. Some films will not print at all at my FHC because they don't have enough contrast and the printer does not like that.
>
>So a couple of weeks ago I saw a couple taking photos of the projection of their film. I decided to try it out with the Tlaltenango marriages film that I am going through (which is a negative so it makes it somewhat trickier) and other than having to hold the camera really steady, it works great. I am posting a couple of the images that I have from that film in the Albums section so people can see.
>
>If anybody would like additional instructions or tips, let me know.
Arturo,
What pixel size dimensions did you use on your camera for the pictures? Do they print out at a reasonable resolution so they can be read?
Raymond
Raymond:
I was taking the pictures at 3 megapixels and they turned out to be way too big so I reduced them in size by 50% and posted a couple of them in the albums section in a folder called Tlaltenango Marriages and Border Crossing Records:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=610
You can see for yourself. The resolution would be much higher had I not shrunk them.
I just uploaded an article from the LDS Church News that gives some
information about the Digital Conversion Project
have a look in Albums-->Digital Filming Project News
A quote from Joseph's message to Natalie:
"Now Natalie, who exactly are we talking about? Can you email me
privately? I think it's time for the Cinto"
Reading about "El cinto" brought back memories of the time when I was a "Muy travieso" little boy and the harsh discipline administered by my parents.
Wow John,
your mom sounds like my mom. She used to get my brother to use the
garden hose to give me "Cuerazos." it terrified me more than hurt. yes
the emotional side of fear leaves an impression.
but yes, was there something about the siblings disciplining other siblings?
there is an oral history story about my grandfather later going and
apologizing to one of his sisters for the way he disciplined her when
they were younger. I imagine that maybe he was apoligizing for being all
to willing to take part, I'm not sure.
I do remember getting a real good one from my Dad one time (and it
wasn't even my fault, I remember peeing myself) so now that I think
about it maybe my mom was using my brother to hit me so she could get
the "value" out of the whipping but at the same time control how much
"damage" was inflicted. When my Dad gave it to me (not often) I knew it.
The violence of those whippings scared everybody.
joseph
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>A quote from Joseph's message to Natalie:
>
>"Now Natalie, who exactly are we talking about? Can you email me
>privately? I think it's time for the Cinto"
>
>
>Reading about "El cinto" brought back memories of the time when I was a "Muy travieso" little boy and the harsh discipline administered by my parents.
>
>It has been a long time and I don't remember all of the details of what I did, but it must have been something really bad. I remember playing with two cousins, two older sisters, and some neighborhood friends. We were all around five to eight years old. We were playing in our backyard when all of a sudden I heard somebody say: "Here comes your Mom" I turned around and I didn't like what I saw, my Mom, walking rapidly toward me, with the meanest look in her eyes and a rope in one hand. I looked around for a place to run to or a place to hide, no such luck. I knew that was it and I was about to have a new experience in life.
>
>My Mom grabbed me by one arm and dragged me to a tree while she was saying: "I am going to teach a lesson you'll never foreget, I am going to hang you! " I started to cry as I looked around, hoping that somebody would come to my rescue, no such luck. All the other kids were also crying and scared, frozen stiff in place, just waiting to see what was going to happen to me. She took the rope and wrapped it around my WAIST, tied a knot and threw the other end over a limb of the tree. She pulled on the rope, lifting me about a couple of feet off the ground. That's when I died! Of course, at the age, I had no idea that people didn't die hanged by a rope tied around the waist. She must have held me up in the air for a full five or ten seconds, but for me, it was an eternity. The last thing that I remember is seeing the other kids running away in panic, crying out loud. I guess they also thought that I was going to die.
>
> I wasn't physically hurt, just emotionally, which is worse...Was it cruel? Funny? You be the judge.
>
>That incident made quite an impression on me, to the point where I have never forgotten it. My kids laugh out loud when I tell them abou it. It probably shaped my behavior for the rest of my life. From that point on, I was a well behaved and responsible person.
>
>ps: This incident took place in Mexico in the early 1940's.
>
>I have a feeling that this little true story will open a new subject for discussion... Discipline of Hispanics. Who hasn't felt the CINTO ?
>or some other object on their bottom?
>
>John Gonzalez
>Wildomar, CA.
>
>
>1gnzlz@verizon.net
Susanna,
here are the answers I received from the FTM list about the back slash issue
I think we need to experiment with it with the first names as well
maybe something like
\Maria Josefa\ \Sanchez de Castillo Cruz\
I don't mean to complain - but the General Digest Vol 3 Issue 15 that I received was a DISASTER. It seemed to be filled with a lot of repeitive text that I am sure is clogging up our site. I know Joseph posted some instructions not long ago on how to delete the body of a message before hitting reply to a query, etc. I don't remember what day that was posted (and I couldn't find the message to provide reference here) - but it is a message that may need repeating - and READ CAREFULLY for guidance in this matter - and if you don't understand, then ask for additional help. I am not very good with computer techy stuff, but believe me, if I can do it you can too, it isn't hard to do.
Amen Sister!
You have my full support.
And yes please do complain. From this point forward I want to Privately
know about every single incident.
Another gentle reminder as to how to reply to a digest.
1) If you are on the digest version and want to reply to a specific
message within that Digest here is what to do:
a) copy the piece of the digest that you want to reply to and paste
it into another separate email
b) add your comments related to that message
c) address that email to the appropriate Nuestros Ranchos email
distribution list: Research, General, or Announce
Instructions on how to copy and paste:
1) find the message you want to "copy" and highlight it.
2) go to the top menu and click on edit and look at the options one is
"copy" or on Windows you can click on Ctrl C.
3) open a new email and click in the text area of it and then go up to
edit and pick the "paste" option or on Windows you can use the Ctrl V
combination
PLEASE USE THIS as it will be very important later as we get larger and
more people subscribe to the Digest version. Otherwise what happens is
that the WHOLE digested message gets resent back to the group even if
you are just replying to one small part of that message.
I TOTALLY agree it is a DISASTER. I don't see the offenders since I get
the messages on an Individual basis, so I'm officially making Natalie
part of my Secret Digest police (if she'll accept the post). Whenever
she sees an offending party do this she will send me a private email. I
will then have a private discussion with that person. Oooh, Nuestros
Ranchos starts adding enforcement observers!
Now Natalie, who exactly are we talking about? Can you email me
privately? I think it's time for the Cinto?
joseph
ps: if you see this message come at you twice, well think about it, I'm
trying to make a strong point.
natalie coleman wrote:
>I don't mean to complain - but the General Digest Vol 3 Issue 15 that I received was a DISASTER. It seemed to be filled with a lot of repeitive text that I am sure is clogging up our site. I know Joseph posted some instructions not long ago on how to delete the body of a message before hitting reply to a query, etc. I don't remember what day that was posted (and I couldn't find the message to provide reference here) - but it is a message that may need repeating - and READ CAREFULLY for guidance in this matter - and if you don't understand, then ask for additional help. I am not very good with computer techy stuff, but believe me, if I can do it you can too, it isn't hard to do.
> OK - I'm off the soap box. Have a beautiful day - may you be blessed in the coming weeks with the discovery of new ancestors.
>
> Natalie C. Coleman, Virginia
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Yoland Medina Perez has submitted a very very thought provoking poem. .
.go and read it:
Files-->Books and Articles-->"Poems and Cuentos"
Secrets are something that can totally alter our genealogy.
Hi John:
It was Alicia's idea that we meet in the Bay Area or Central
California to allow other genealogists to join our meetings. We all
agreed and welcomed the opportunity to get out of the 100+ degree
"Here"
Here
jose munoz wrote: "Here"
This arrival would be for Juan Antonio LIENDO, senior since it is before the birth of the junior. But the time frame seems correct given that you believe the junior was born around 1700. This Antonio LIENDO came unmarried to the new world... Guatemala, which is not quite Nueva Espana but very close and certainly within easy migrating distance to Zacatecas a decade later...
Hi Arturo!
THANKS! It does fit the time frame, does it not? If this does turn out to
be my ancestor, the document provides me with the name of another
generation!!! I can't wait to get to the Zacatecas film!! :-)
Josie
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:55 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Liendo Senior vs. Junior
Josie:
This arrival would be for Juan Antonio LIENDO, senior since it is before the
birth of the junior. But the time frame seems correct given that you
believe the junior was born around 1700. This Antonio LIENDO came unmarried
to the new world... Guatemala, which is not quite Nueva Espana but very
close and certainly within easy migrating distance to Zacatecas a decade
later...
Furthermore, Catalina DE LA ROSA strikes me (gut instinct) as an indigenous
name... I have run across many a records with DE LA ROSA and DE LA CRUZ and
so forth indicating the person as India/o. Makes sense that they would be
assigned such simple, descriptive names instead of really obscure Basque
names, etc.
I think you are on the right track about his parents marrying in Zacatecas.
If I make it to Salt Lake in October, I will be looking through the
informaciones matrimoniales of the 1600s in Zacatecas and will keep an eye
open.
>
>
> here
Maria
>
HERE.
Family Genealogist
Here.
Irma Gomez-Lucero
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1. Re: Is is just me....?? (Margarita Vallazza)
2. Re: Is is just me....?? (Latina1955@aol.com)
3. Re: Is is just me....?? (Peggy Delgado)
4. Greetings (Ripped65@aol.com)
5. Welcome Tony! (arturoramos)
6. Welcome Tony! (arturoramos)
7. [Fwd: upcoming local events to support immigrant rights]
(Joseph Puentes)
8. Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (Joseph Puentes)
9. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (John Gonzalez)
10. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (Margarita Vallazza)
11. Re: [Fwd: upcoming local events to support immigrant
rights]
(Margarita Vallazza)
12. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE"
(Erlinda Castanon-Long)
13. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE"
(Erik Andr?s Reynoso)
14. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (George Luna)
15. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (victor villarreal)
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17. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (Josie T. Trevino)
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21. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (Raymond Jauregui)
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24. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (David P. Delgado)
25. Re: Systematic Roll Call: Reply with a "HERE" (francisco sevilla)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:04:40 -0500
From: Margarita Vallazza
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is is just me....??
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:
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Me, too! With onions (white, diced) and sharp cheddar cheese! With
refried beans that mound up and with sopa de arroz! Yummmmm-ohhhh!!!!
I can not make them to taste like home at all. Now that I'm diabetic, I
can't eat them at all now. :( On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:03 AM, Josie T.
Trevino wrote:
> BTW, I just love
> enchiladas!!! :-)
>
> Josie
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:31:05 EDT
From: Latina1955@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is is just me....??
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Josie -
I actually knew Sandra before she became famous. She grew up and lived
in "Pilsen", a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Chicago. I used to go
to poetry readings she was in and others - there is a strong artsy
community in Pilsen, some Hispanic, some not. She dated a guy I worked
with for awhile. I used to work in a community based organization for
many years....It gives me great pleasure to watch one of our own make
it - and make it under their terms....
Esperanza
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peggy Delgado
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Is is just me....??
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Esperanza,
Isn't it great to see our Mexican-American people do good? She was
very gracious, down-to-earth, and funny when i met her - although she
had the flu (like a flu could stop her!).
Peggy
Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Josie -
I actually knew Sandra before she became famous. She grew up and lived
in "Pilsen", a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Chicago. I used to go to
poetry readings she was in and others - there is a strong artsy
community in Pilsen, some Hispanic, some not. She dated a guy I worked
with for awhile. I used to work in a community based organization for
many years....It gives me great pleasure to watch one of our own make it
- and make it under their terms....
Esperanza
I'm not there yet, but have any of you gotten to the point in your
research where the records are written in Latin? I'm not even sure that
this will be an issue in Mexico.but just in case you are back that far
You wrote:
"One thing they mentioned is something I have yet to fully investigate.
Seems that Family Tree Maker will hold the two name Spanish style of
Surnaming together in the right order with the use of a slash or
back-slash."
That is very interesting. I don't have family tree maker but it could be
wonderful to have this capability. I'm guessing that you would have to
retype all the surnames from the database. (right now I have them both like
one last name).
Please let me know as soon as you have more information on the subject.
Also, I think Family tree maker allows you to have reports in different
languages.
It is great information
thank you
susana leniski
From: Dani Brown [mailto:dtxn@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:43 AM
To: MEXICAN-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [MEX-HISTORY] Missouri Online!
The Missouri Archives has put up an index to 1910-1955 Missouri death certificates. They will eventually have images of all certificates, but for now they have 1900-1920 images. It's kind of slow because it's new and is getting lots of use.
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Subject: Sacerdotes martires ahora santos
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: francisco sevilla
To: Joseph Puentes
Ranchos Members
Report on visit to Family History Library in Salt Lake City (FHL in SLC).
Cojumatlan de Regules, Michoacan - Film Inventory at FHL in SLC
Unfortunately only 1 film number was found. Film number 654633. I see on the catalog listing a few more films showing FHL INTL Film which should mean they are at the FHL in SLC, so this could mean that these films are in High Density location. When ordering your films before a trip, they will check High Density first before ordering from the VAULT. When you get to the library, always check the file drawers to see if your films are in, if not, then go to the window and ask if they are in High Density. They will check their database and either order the film from VAULT or they go back to High Density location and bring them out to the window, usually takes one hour. Don't recall who ask to check this out so I am addressing it to all
It sounds like you, Rich and Rosalinda had a very productive trip.
Thank you so much for sharing your time and passion with the rest of us
and helping us out on our searches. I look forward to meeting you and
Rich next week.
As far as the Saint Cristobal Magallanes... his maternal last name is
Jara, not Correa. Rosalinda and Angie have brochures of his genealogy
that they have shared with me and I have been working on tracing back
some of his lineages a bit further. His Magallanes line goes back to an
indigenous family from Momax, Zacatecas. He was a priest in Totatiche
in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.
http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I730
Just an FYI:
St. Cristobal Magallanes Jara
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintc98.htm
St. Mateo Correa Magallanes
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm1v.htm
Helyn,
You told me once that they were related through their Magallanes Line, did you ever find the information on this?
Thanks,
Angie Godina
You mean to say that priests were actually KILLED to be got rid of as
opposed to being allowed to leave the country?
On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
> He was a priest in Totatiche
> in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
> during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.
>
not just KILLED but savagely mutulated with body parts being cut off.
joseph
Margarita Vallazza wrote:
>You mean to say that priests were actually KILLED to be got rid of as
>opposed to being allowed to leave the country?
>On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>
>
>> He was a priest in Totatiche
>>in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
>>during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.
>>
>>
>>
>
¡Que terîble! Pobres. Marge:)
On Apr 10, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> not just KILLED but savagely mutulated with body parts being cut off.
>
> joseph
>
>
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
>
>> You mean to say that priests were actually KILLED to be got rid of as
>> opposed to being allowed to leave the country?
>> On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> He was a priest in Totatiche
>>> in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
>>> during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Yes, there were a large number of priests killed during the Cristero
wars. Some of the priests were actually soldiers and officers in the
Cristero army and thus the government claimed that killing them was
justified since they were rebel soldiers. The others like Cristobal
Magallanes Jara were not fighting in the war, but were caught "in the
crossfire" of the violence between the State and the Church. I don't
think that he would have wanted to leave the country anyhow...
Cristóbal Magallanes Jara was born in Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico on July
30, 1869. He was son of Rafael Magallanes and Clara Jara, who were
farmers. He worked as a shepherd in his youth and enrolled in the
Conciliar Seminary of San José in Guadalajara at the age of 19.
He was ordained at the age of 30 at the Santa Teresa Temple in
Guadalajara and subsequently served as chaplain of the School of Arts
and Works of the Holy Spirit in Guadalajara. He was then designated as
the parish priest for his home town of Totatiche, where he helped found
schools, carpentry shops and the planning of hydrological works
including the dam of La Candelaria.
He took special interest in the evangelization of the local indigenous
Huichol people and was instrumental in the foundation of the mission in
the indigenous town of Azqueltán. When government decrees shut down the
seminary in Guadalajara in 1914, he offered to open a seminary in his
parrish. In July of 1915, he opened the Auxiliar Seminary of Totatiche,
which quickly achieved a student body of 17 students by the following
year and was recognized by the Archbishop of Guadalajara, Francisco
Orozco y Jiménez, who appointed a precept and two professors to the
seminary.
Magallanes Jara wrote and preached against armed rebellion, but was
falsely accused of promoting the Cristero Rebellion in the area.
Arrested on May 21, 1927 while en route to celebrate Mass at a farm, he
gave away his few remaining possessions to his executioners, gave them
absolution, and without a trial, he was martyred with Saint Agustín
Caloca in Colotlán, Jalisco. His last words to his executioners were "I
die innocent, and ask God that my blood may serve to unite my Mexican
bretheren."
He was succeeded as parish priest of Totatiche by José Pilar Quezada
Valdés, who went on to become the first bishop of the diocese of
Acapulco.
He was canonized by Pope John Paul II on November 22, 1992.
Retrieved from
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crist%C3%B3bal_Magallanes_Jara"
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
Margarita Vallazza
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:17 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Update on Family History Library trip
You mean to say that priests were actually KILLED to be got rid of as
opposed to being allowed to leave the country?
On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
> He was a priest in Totatiche
> in the early 1900s and was killed as part of the purge of the clergy
> during the Cristero Wars in the 1930s.
>
Perhaps someone can guide me in the right direction......my brick wall is
"Zacatecas, Zac." where my ancestor, Juan Antonio Liendo and his wife
Catalina de la Rosa gave birth to their son also named Juan Antonio Liendo.
One more lead Josie from the Spanish archives:
Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Título DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO
Alcance y Contenido DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO, natural de Bilbao, soltero, hijo de D. Juan de Liendo y de Doña Antonia de Fano, a Guatemala como criado de D. Jacinto de Barrios Leal
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1687-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5540A,L.3,F.142v
Índice(s) Barrios Leal, Jacinto de
Liendo, Antonio de
Liendo, Juan de
Guatemala
Bilbao
Fano, Antonia de
Criado
Hi Arturo,
I have found that there are a lot of "Liendo" surnames in south America,
mainly Peru, Argentina, Brazil, etc. and this looks like it could be a lead;
however, the Will dated 1771 clearly states his mother as Catalina de la
Rosa. I guess I should start looking at the marriage records for the area
to see if the parents married in Zacatecas. I did find an "ultramarino" who
came from Spain named Luis Liendo but his parents were not the ones I am
looking for. This makes me even more determined to find him! Thanks for
the help......if you think of any other ideas to help me, please let me
know.
Josie
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:52 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Liendo
One more lead Josie from the Spanish archives:
Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Título DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO
Alcance y Contenido DON ANTONIO DE LIENDO, natural de Bilbao, soltero, hijo
de D. Juan de Liendo y de Doña Antonia de Fano, a Guatemala como criado de
D. Jacinto de Barrios Leal Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1687-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.13,E.2594
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5540A,L.3,F.142v
Índice(s) Barrios Leal, Jacinto de
Liendo, Antonio de
Liendo, Juan de
Guatemala
Bilbao
Fano, Antonia de
Criado
Josie:
I have uploaded the detail of an 1858 map of Zacatecas showing the surrounding towns and more importantly the mines. It is is the Historical Mexican Maps Album..
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=538
As you will note there were several mines around Zacatecas including Panuco and Veta Grande that are now seperate municipalities. There were also the ranchos of Calera and Guadalupe that are now seperate municipalities as well.
These mines were most active right around the time that you are researching. I think there was a mercury shortage in the early 1700s that caused many of the mines to be closed down since they could not process the ore.
Arturo, thanks for the lead. I will study the map and see what I can come
up with. Josie
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:30 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical Zacatecas Map
Josie:
I have uploaded the detail of an 1858 map of Zacatecas showing the
surrounding towns and more importantly the mines. It is is the Historical
Mexican Maps Album..
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=538
As you will note there were several mines around Zacatecas including Panuco
and Veta Grande that are now seperate municipalities. There were also the
ranchos of Calera and Guadalupe that are now seperate municipalities as
well.
These mines were most active right around the time that you are researching.
I think there was a mercury shortage in the early 1700s that caused many of
the mines to be closed down since they could not process the ore.
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