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Recently, Alice Wissing was telling me that NONE of her posts are ending up on the Posts Forum for a very long time now. That happened to me last night.

She emailed me this information, and requested if I post it on her behalf...Aquí está.

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The book, "Genealogical Fictions- Limpieza de Sangre, Religion and Gender in Colonial Mexico" by Maria Elena Martinez has information on Dr. Santiago de Vera, who is mentioned in Mariano Gonzalez-Leal's "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" as being a progenitor of the Padilla Davila line. Leal's book contains a diagram of a Padilla tree that leads to Dr. Santiago de Vera.

Dr. Santiago de Vera's father, paternal grandparents, and paternal great grandparents are revealed in the "Genealogical Fictions" book. The Inquisition investigated Dr. de Vera's ancestors when he applied to work as an advisor for the Holy Office in Mexico. Although he arrived in Mexico with many documents stating he and his wife were of pure background (probanzas stating no stain of Moorish or Jewish blood), an investigation was launched that showed his family had a long history with the Inquisition.

Dr. Santiago de Vera
Father: Juan de Santiago
Paternal grandparents: Diego Hernandez and Isabel de Cazalla (her parents tried by Inquisition and reconciled)
Paternal great grandparents: Juan de Sevilla and Violante Ruiz (both tried for crypto-Judaism and reconciled with church)
Paternal great-great grandparents: Names not mentioned, but it says Juan Sevillas' parents were tried by the Inquisition and reconciled, and Violante's parents were condemned for heresy.

In summary: His paternal great grandparents Juan de Sevilla and Violante Ruiz were both tried for crypto-Judaism and reconciled with the church. Juan de Sevilla's parents were also tried by the Inquisition and reconciled.Violente Ruiz's parents were condemned for heresy. Isabel de Cazalla's parents were, according to witnesses, also tried by the Inquisition and reconciled.

Dr. Santiago de Vera's wife was Isabel Rodriguez. Her parents and grandparents descended on all lines from Conversos, according to witnesses questioned during the investigation.

Dr. Vera was described by the Inquisition as, "confeso, descendant of people condemned and reconciled for following the Law of Moses." This information makes me wonder if other ancestors from Los Altos had converso lineage, as well. For those who aren't familiar with the term "converso", it means a Jew who converted to Catholicism, most likely under duress. This makes our family trees very interesting.

Alice Wissing

¿Por qué no aparecen mis envíos recientes? Desde ayer yo puse dos comentarios y envié un tema nuevo al foro, pero no aparecen. ¿A caso, hay límite a la cantidad o el tamaño de envíos que se pueden realizar?

Why don’t my recent posts appear? Since yesterday I posted two commentaries and sent a new topic the group, but they don’t appear. By chance, is there a limit to the size or number of posts that can be posted?

SFHL

Hello Everyone,

I have been actively searching for information on my Villalobos,Romo de Vibar and Martin del Campo ancestors. Specifically for the two couples Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar from El Agostadero de Mecatebasco Zactecas and Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo from Aguascalientes but I have encountered a brick wall.

Let me start with Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar.

Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vibar are parents of my 6th great-grandmother Maria Antonia de Jesus de Villalobos chris on 21 Feb 1756 in Santa Maria Macatabasco Villa del Refugio,Zac. Maria Antonia married Juan Jose de Esparza (son of Ysidro de Esparza Martin del Campo and Maria de Gertrudis Lozano Delgado)on March 28 1781 in Calvillo,Aguascalientes.

Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria de Villalobos other children:

Name: Maria De La Luz Billalobos Romo
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Dec 1770
Christening Place: SANTA MARIA MECATABASCO,VILLA DEL REFUGIO,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

Name: Joseph Geronimo Villalobos Romo
Gender: Male
Christening Date:16 Oct 1760
Christening Place:SANTA MARIA MECATABASCO,VILLA DEL REFUGIO,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

and Maria Ygnacia Villalbos who married Marcos Muñoz Landeros and died in Aguascalientes on July 7, 1848.

Now, Juan Jose de Esparza (husband of Antonia de Villalbos)is son of Ysidro de Esparza Martin del Campo and Maria de Gertrudis Lozano Delgado and grand-child of Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo through his father's side, and of Cristobal Lozano and Beatriz Delgado Lopez de Lizalde through her mother's side.

Ysidro de Esparza and Gertrudis Lozano married in Aguascalientes on 26 Dec 1730.

I have traced Gertudis Lozano's ancestry to the Delgado,Lopez de Lizalde,Ruiz de Esparza,Tiscareño de Molina and other Spanish families from Aguascalientes, but I can't go any further from Ysidro de Esparza's parents Juan de Esparza and Mariana Martin del Campo, I encounter a brick wall, as well as for Francisco de Villalbos and Maria Romo de Vibar's. I have looked through most of the dispensas and padrino's information, but with no success.

I am wondering if these family lines (Villalobos,Romo de Vibar,Martin de Campo)go back to the early Spanish families in Aguascalientes of Romo de Vibar,Martin del Campo and Villalobos. I would assume they must have some connection since their children and grandchildren married into prominent families of Aguascalientes like Delgado and Lopez de Lizalde.

I would greatly appreciate your help!

Thank you!

Roberto Rosales Villalpando
Riverside,CA

Received test messages 1 and 2

Everything A-OK here.

Linda

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:55 -0600
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: George and Rosalva Jordan
To: "Announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Announce Test 3: for Joseph
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Test
Y-DNA: J2b1b (Formerly J2e2/J2b2)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1a
FTDNA Kit: 48584
YSearch: PEEH3
Mitosearch: WFSBR

I want to thank Daniel Mendez for his hard work checking and rechecking records especially when they are shared records. Due to his work I found I have a serious error on my/our Mendez line when I connected them to the Rolon line in Jalisco. I really thought I had checked and double checked but Daniel found a marriage dispensation for our ancestor Jose Guadalupe Mendez married and widowed with Francisca Valencia, in his second marriage to Altragracia Figueroa she states that Francisca Valencia was her aunt. when their lineage was shown her Mother was not the Josefa Figueroa I thought she was...

I am going to miss the Rolon family even though Daniel had found he is related to them through another line.. they no longer belong to me. Lot's of corrections to be done to my files on Rootsweb.com since I list who family is..
Daniel thank you again
Linda Castanon-Long in Boulder City, Nv

Mi familia es de Femat de Aguascalientes y uno de mi bisabuelos Antonio Fermin Femat se caso con Monica Vivar de Romo 16 Oct. 1715 en Aguascalientes.  Los papas de ella Mariana or Maria Ana Villalobos y Nicolas Romo de Vivar y se casaron 31 Dec 1685 en Asuscion,, Aguascalientes,  No entiendo Maria Ana y Mariana Villalobos son dos personas?   Los papas de Nicolas eran Diego Vivar de Romo y Maria de los Angeles Reyes?  Me puede ayudar con estas preguntas?  Helen Fisher

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   1. Re: Leonor Guti?rrez de la Vega (xalos68@hotmail.com)
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2014 16:18:45 -0800 (PST)
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Hay documentacion que diga que Maria Rubio, esposa de Pedro Hern?ndez, fue hija de Francisco Gutierrez Rubio y Ana Gonzalez Floridad?

Sergio Gutierrez

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Primeramente, gracias por indicarme el error sobre la ascendencia de Nicol?s Romo de Vivar, casado con mi t?a Mar?a Antonia del Carmen Gonz?lez de Hermosillo y G?mez Rend?n.  Es algo enredoso distinguir cuales hijos corresponden a cada una de las dos parejas con nombres tan parecidos, Nicol?s Romo de Vivar y Mar?a de Villalobos y Nicol?s Romo de Vivar y Mariana de Villalobos.  Con estas similitudes se confundir?a cualquiera.  ?De veras que enredo!  Por eso gracias a ti, Armando, a tus valorables investigaciones, y las de Bill Figueroa y todos, sobre este linaje.  Yo NO soy ning?n experto sobre estos linajes?Uds. s? lo son. Ahora ya, poco a poco, estoy desenredando y arreglando los errores provocados por esta situaci?n complicada.

[Pr?ximamente, les preguntar? sobre DIEGO Romo de Vivar y MARIANA de Villalobos.  Ellos son efectivamente una pareja distinta con nombres distintos viviendo en lugares distintos a los matrimonios de los otros dos Nicol?s Romo de Vivar, y sus respectivas esposas Villalobos.  Desde 1709-1710 m?s o menos hasta 1729, Diego y Mariana tuvieron por lo menos 7 hijos en Teocaltiche/San Juan de los Lagos/Jalostotitl?n. Sus descendientes se avecindaron en San Juan de los Lagos y Jalostotitl?n.  No logro vincularlos.  Se los dejo de tarea?]
Obviamente, toda la genealog?a de Los Altos de Jalisco es nuestra genealog?a?la compartimos todos, y est? basada tanto en nuestros propios esfuerzos, como en los trabajos de los que nos han ayudado y los que nos han antecedido?los logros tanto como los errores.  Est?n los trabajos de Jaime Holcombe y Mariano Gonz?lez como punto de partida para todos.  En cuanto salieron sus trabajos geneal?gicos, comenz? la ?Cacer?a de Ratas [Cacer?a de Erratas]? como me dijo Don Mariano una vez en broma, refiri?ndose a la encuentra de errores.  Todos cometemos errores, y todos los hemos hecho en nuestras notas.  Pero hacemos lo mejor que podemos, esperando que con el tiempo alguien nos ayude a aclarar las cosas.  Gracias.

I have been unable to find my grandmother's, Enriqueta Medina Alva, birth record, although her marriage and death record shows she was born on April 24, 1880, in Jerez, Zacatecas. Some records show her grandmother as Refugio Avila and as Refugio Alba. Her father, Faustino, died right before my grandmother's birth. Have unable to find any of his records, also. I estimate that Faustino was born about 1860 in the Jerez area. Help!! Raul Cristerna Luna

I'm doing research on my great granmother Gumecinda Dominguez Born 13 Jan 1900 Either in Jalisco or Zacatecas, Died 14 Jan 1993 in San Jose California (about 1 1/2 Years now). I have her Texas marriage record to Maximino Martinez stating she was from Cadio Zacatecas (No Place Exist) but my Grandfather stated that she was from Jalisco. I have not yet found any records of any sort stating either place of birth. Gumecinda parents were Ventera(o) Dominguez y Hilaria Martinez, No records on them either.

If anyone has any information on Gumecinda and her parents I would be much appreciated for the help.

Thank You!

I'm Trying To Look Into Further Information on My Great Grandfather Celso Aguilar, Born 27 Apr. 1908 In Jerez Zacatecas. To The Parents of Pedro Aguilar Y Mariana De Jesus Barrios. My Great Grandfather Looks To Be Afro-Mexican but Cant Find Any Records
Stating So. I Went As Far As My Great Great Great Great Grandparents on Both of Celso's Parents, Majority All Records States Espanola...If Anyone Has Any Information I Would Greatly Appreciate It.

Here's A Little More Information (All From Zacatecas)

I'm Trying To Look Into Further Information on My Great Grandfather Celso Aguilar, Born 27 Apr. 1908 In Jerez Zacatecas. To The Parents of Pedro Aguilar Y Mariana De Jesus Barrios. My Great Grandfather Looks To Be Afro-Mexican but Cant Find Any Records
Stating So. I Went As Far As My Great Great Great Great Grandparents on Both of Celso's Parents, Majority All Records States Espanola...If Anyone Has Any Information I Would Greatly Appreciate It.

Here's A Little More Information (All From Zacatecas)

-Juan Aguilar - Francisco Aguilar
Celso Aguilar (F.) Pedro Aguilar Ysidra Contreras

-Guadalupe Escovedo - Luiz Escovedo
Luciana Garcia

-Perfecto Barrios - Lugardo Barrios
(M.) Mariana Barrios Benita Espinosa

-Valenta Salazar - Roman (Romon) Salazar
Josefa Duran

Homenaje

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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has come across an Encarnacion Mendoza from the Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco Mexico area? I have reached a roadblock in my searching and am now going page by page in the baptismal records. I know that he has a brother named Salvador Mendoza. Encarnacion is the Father of my Great Grandfather Zenon Mendoza. I will continue to search but any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all and good luck in your searches as well. Let me know if there is anything I might help you with.

Disregard . . .For Joseph Only: Test 1

I updated most of my Family Lines in my Member File here at Nuestros Ranchos

Joseph de Leon

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Sylvia H Corona Cortes

Hello,
I received the test email. I been requesting a new password for my account but I haven't received a reply, please help.
Esteban Pedroza
Edieandesteban@msn.com

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:55 -0600
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
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I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: George and Rosalva Jordan
To: "Announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Announce Test 3: for Joseph
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Test

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Hola Bill, mi nombre es José Antonio de la Riva soy originario de la Ciudad de Aguascalientes y siempre e tratado de
investigar el origen de mi apellido " de la Riva".
Mi padre y su familia provienen de una region de Zacatecas, en la cual esta muy arraigado ese apellido, mi padre es de un
pueblo anteriormente llamado Bajio de casas Coloradas, entre Luis Moya y Ojocaliente.
En este pueblo era muy comun que se casaran entre familiares, incluso mi padre es de la Riva de la Riva.
Mi abuela me contaba que en el tiempo de los cristeros quemaron los registros que habian en la parroquia de Luis Moya que era
a la que pertenecian.
Bill me podria auxiliar informandome en donde puedo recavar esta información.
Gracias
J. Antonio de la Riva

Hola a todos !

Hace ya tiempo que no se habla en este foro de Don Pedro Ruíz de Haro Muñóz que fue conquistador de la Nueva Galicia junto a Nuño de Guzmán el cual casó por 1540 con Leonor Arias y del cual sabemos por su testamento, que aquí comentamos con Don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, que tuvo tres hijas:

Petronila Ruíz de Haro , Micaela Ruíz de Haro y Francisca Arias Coronado.

De ellas se ha dicho que casaron con Gonzalo Morillo; Álvaro de Tovar y Álvaro Bracamonte e Hijar respectivamente.

También creo que ya aquí había aparecido un segundo matrimonio de Petronila, con Fernando Andrés Costilla y Espinosa, y en efecto tengo en mis notas que esta pareja fueron padrínos de Juana Ávalos Bracamonte el 24-ene-1608.

Volví a esta familia a raíz de releer el libro de Baltazar Dorantes Carranza "Sumaria RElación de las Cosas de la Nueva España" escrito entre 1604 y 1614 ya que de ellos menciona algunas cosas interesantes que pongo a su consideración :

En todas las fuentes a Pedro Ruíz de Haro lo mencionan como descendiente de la Casa de Guzmán, pero Dorantes Carranza agrega que es primo del Marqués de Toral!!! que efectivamente era de esa gran Casa de Guzmán, pero este dato nos reduce el universo de busqueda en dicha casa que por su antigüedad es muuuy extensa. Hay el hecho de que el Marquesado de Toral se concedió hasta 1612 cuando ya Don Pedro tenía 52 años de muerto, por lo que más bien Don Pedro Ruíz debió ser primo del papá del Marqués de Toral que era Señor de Toral y Aviados y se llamó Gonzalo de Guzmán y Acuña y que fue investido caballero de Santiago en 1564.

Buscando en esa rama encontré un posible antepasado en común de Pedro y Gonzalo y el único que llevaría el Haro es Pedro Núñez Señor de Guzmán y Aviados que por 1360 casó en segundas nupcias con Inés de Haro pero no he visto si tuvieron descendencia.

En toda esa rama de los señores de Toral no he visto otra Haro, así que por lo pronto es la línea a investigar.

Por otra parte, Dorantes Carranza dice que una de las tres hijas casó con Manuel Fernández de Híjar y relata que con la inmensa fortuna de sus esposas, los tres yernos de Don Pedro edificaron sus mansiones. Yo no tenía en mis notas a este Manuel, así que tendré que revisarlas.

Dorantes se equivoca al igual que casi todas las fuentes que hablan de esta familia al decir que Don Pedro murió pobre y que fue su viuda y sus hijas las que descubrieron la rica mina que las hizo unas potentadas y dice que la mina tuvo su época dorada entre los 1540 y los 1560 , así que !Claro que Don Pedro la disfrutó ya que el murió hasta 1560!!

Ojalá les despierte el interés en esta familia y podamos ahondar en ella.

Saludos

Carlos A. Peredo

Hay algunas cosas interesantes sobre todos estos personajes, por ejemplo : Porqué Francisca se hacía llamar Arias Coronado ?

“I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and they will have this subject line: Research Test 2: for Joseph; General Test 2: for Joseph; Announce Test 2: for Joseph”

I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

Como descendiente de Araiza tengo creado un Árbol Genealogico con algo más de 2000 personas (desde Fernado de Araiza y María de Guzmán siglo XVII), pero aún no he podido averiguar de qué parte de España provienen; podría alguien ayudarme? No tengo ningún temor en compartir información. Tambien agradecería nombres de libros en los que se haga referencia, yo tengo algunos. Gracias compañeros!

Joseph......I received all of your "test messages" on each of the mailing lists.

Josie Trevino Trevino

On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:07 PM, research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Messages received today. Everything A-OK.

> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Research Test: for Joseph; General Test: for Joseph; Announce
> Test: for Joseph (Armando)
> 2. General Test 3: for Joseph (George and Rosalva Jordan)
> 3. Re: General Test 3: for Joseph (Esther Jordan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:54 -0600
> From: Armando
> To: General@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
> for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
> they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
> for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: George and Rosalva Jordan
> To: "General@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Test 3: for Joseph
> Message-ID:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:25:34 -0600
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, George and Rosalva Jordan
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Test 3: for Joseph
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> OK! I got this 3 times. I think it means it is working.
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> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:52 AM, George and Rosalva Jordan <
> rosalvajordan@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Test

I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph