Torres / Monreal

I am looking for 2 baptismal certificates for children on Roman Torres and Secundina Monreal. The family wound up in Aguascalientes, but these 2 certificates are from Cedral, San Luis Potosi. The first one is for Simona Florencia from 23 February 1860 and the second for Herculano from 14 November 1861. The FamilySearch index says they are both in film 707644, which is not for those years. Nevertheless, I just looked at every page of that book. No luck. Book 707644 is truly for the years is says it is for.
So, if anyone is looking for something to do today - HELP!
Thank you in advance.
Daniel

Wills and Testaments

Hello Everyone in the Forum,

I am looking for a transcription of a Will and Testament document that would
be an example of what was written in Spanish in the 1700's. Has anyone run
across such a document? I am in the process of transcribing and translating
a Will written in 1794.

Regards,

Bob Lozano

Introduction Solis

Hello Primos/Saludos Primos!

My name is Daniel Solis. I live in Texas. On my mother's family is from Tepetongo, Zacatecas. Here are some of the names and towns that I am following:

Tepetongo
Arroyo Seco de Abajo
Arroyo Seco de Ariba
Rancho Zacualtempa
Tepechitlán
Rio de Atalaique

Acevedo, Dorado, Maldonado, Ortiz, Rodarte, Bañuelos & Quesada

If you share any of these last names and in the towns I mentioned, please let me know. I learned a little about the area.

Gracias,
Daniel Solis

Dispensa Research Question – Looking for Dispensa of Francisco Flores and Nepomucena Cuevas

Hello,

I am looking for the dispensa between Francisco Flores and Nepomucena Cuevas who married in Zapotlanejo, Jalisco on 04/June/1875. Here is their marriage certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G531-S4?i=365&cc=18745…

I have looked through all the films with dispensas matrimoniales of the Diocese of Guadalajara for the year 1875 and I have not been able to find it.

I have also looked in the “informacion matrimonial” for Zapotlanejo for the year 1875 and I could not find any details about their marriage there either.

Does anyone by chance have a suggestion/idea about where else I could look for this dispensa?

Thanks-Minerva

Help Deciphering Last Name (Abbreviations) and Barrio/Rancho locations

Hi!

If any of you would have the time, I would appreciate if one could help me decipher the following in the record below:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KHLM-6?i=39&wc=3J6S-GP…

Specifically, I am interested in the marriage entry for Jose Ramos (Yndio) and Maria Patricia (Yndia).

I am aware Jose's parents are Sevastian Ramos (please verify that the abbreviation in the image is for Sevastian) and Nicolasa Juana. However, I have no idea what the rancho is supposed to be that comes after his name. If someone could decipher it, I would appreciate it, and if someone knew where it was (at least in relation to Sayula so I can do further research) I would appreciate it.

As for his wife, I have figured out her name and her parents' names but I would also appreciate the help with regards to her geographic origination.

I can read Spanish well, so if you can help in Spanish or English I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

Rafa

Criollos

I found some ancestors identified as Criollos, Indio Criollos and Mestizos Criollos. Can someone please tell me if Criollo was a Spaniard born in the colones, why say Indio or Mestizo? Some are just Criollos, does this mean they were Espanoles?
Appreciate any explanation from this group to help me understand.

Miramontes connection

Lorenso De Miramontes and Maria De Santiago had a son, Ysidro De Miramontes who married Bernarda De Avila 21 Jan 1709. Brigida De Miramontes who married Rafael Pinto De Avila 23 Jan 1735 was the padrina. This is my Avila connection to the Miramontes family and I wonder if anyone can provide information or assist me. Thank you. Evie

Bobadilla del Diccionario Biografico del Occidemte Novohispano de Thomas Hillerkuss

*BOBADILLA*, Francisco de

Encomendero de *Tepechitlán*, al sur de *Tlaltenango*, a principios del
siglo XVII. Probablemente era nieto o bisnieto del primer encomendero, Pedro
de Bobadilla (Gerhard, 1993: 149; Hillerkuss, 1994: 477).

*BOBADILLA*, Francisco de

Mestizo. Hijo de María Bobadilla y de su legítimo marido, Pedro de
Bobadilla; recibió la encomienda de su padre, el pueblo de *Tepechitlán*, el
1º de enero de 1542, según una real cédula firmada por Cristóbal de Oñate.
Junto con sus padres y con su hermana, vecino fundador de la cuarta y
definitiva *Guadalajara* en febrero de 1542. Murió aparentemente poco
después de 1545; la encomienda pasó a su hermana. Esta encomienda contaba en
1569, con 500 indios tributarios (Benítez, 1991: 92 y 114; Diego Fernández
Sotelo, 1994: 288 y 299; Gerhard, 1993: 149; Icaza, 1969: Nº 1167; Páez
Brotchie, 1991b: 199).

*BOBADILLA*, María

Indígena. Mujer legítima de Pedro de Bobadilla. Ambos fueron vecinos
fundadores de la cuarta y definitiva *Guadalajara* en febrero de 1542, donde
se instalaron con sus dos hijos. Enviudó poco después (Benítez, 1991: 114;
Icaza, 1969: Nº 121).

*BOBADILLA*, Pedro de

Originario de *Extremadura*. Vino a *América* hacia 1515, donde se instaló
en la isla de *Santo Domingo*. Conquistador de *Jamaica* y de algunas
provincias de la *Nueva España*. Soldado en el ejército de Nuño Beltrán de
Guzmán, en 1529, para la conquista de la *Nueva Galicia*. Casó con una mujer
indígena llamada María que tomó el apellido de su marido. En 1534 tenía una
encomienda en la provincia de *Culiacán*. Diego Hernández de Proaño, el
alcalde mayor de la provincia, y Bobadilla abusaron de su licencia de hacer
esclavos, por lo cual los naturales de la provincia se rebelaron. Esta
rebelión tuvo por consecuencia que Bobadilla se quedó sin encomienda en esta
región porque los naturales se habían retirado a la sierra o habían muerto.
Junto con su mujer y sus dos hijos, vecino fundador de la cuarta y
definitiva *Guadalajara* en febrero de 1542. Fue el primer español que murió
en *Guadalajara*. Su encomienda del pueblo de *Tepechitlán*, en la provincia
de *Tlaltenango*, pasó en la década de 1540, como herencia, a su hijo
Francisco de Bobadilla y, algunos años después, a su hija mayor (Álvarez,
1975: Nº 144; Benítez, 1991: 92 y 114; Diego Fernández Sotelo, 1994: 288;
Gerhard, 1993: 149; Icaza, 1969: Nº 1167; Páez Brotchie, 1991g: 80; Tello,
1973: 25-28).

*BOBADILLA*, Pedro de

Nació poco antes de 1532. Posiblemente fue hijo del conquistador homónimo,
sin embargo, si fue así, no hubiera nacido como hijo legítimo porque no
heredó su encomienda, después de la muerte de su *hermano* Francisco de
Bobadilla sino la pasaron a la hermana de Francisco. Estante en las minas de
los *Zacatecas* en julio de 1557. Fiador de los herederos de Francisco
Preciado, vecino de *Colima*, en 1560 o ya antes, durante el proceso que
tenían con el acreedor Francisco de Cepeda. Radicaba como vecino en *Colima*,
junto con su esposa Francisca Ruiz de Monjaraz, hija de Martín Ruiz de
Monjaraz, El Viejo. El 14 de julio de 1563 en el pueblo de *Tuspa*,
Francisco de Cepeda le otorgó un poder cumplido para defender en la villa de
*Colima*, sus intereses en el pleito que tenía con Pedro de Granada, tutor y
curador de los menores, hijos de Francisco Preciado, por unas huertas de
cacao en la provincia de *Motines*, que Cepeda y Alonso Sánchez de Toledo
habían adquirido de Preciado. El día siguiente se presentó como procurador
de Cepeda en la villa de *Colima*. Alcalde ordinario de la villa de
*Colima*en 1564. En noviembre de 1565, se le describió como hombre que
entendía
negocios comerciales y legales. El 2 de marzo de 1566 en la villa de *Colima
*, compró en pública almoneda por 110 pesos, las casas de Doña Elvira
Lorenzo, viuda y heredera de Domingo López. En compañía con Andrés de
Segura, Pedro López de Herrera y Bernardino Cola, todos vecinos de la villa
de *Colima*, firmó una carta de obligación en favor de Gaspar Moreno,
mercader y vecino de la *ciudad de México*. En verano de 1566, Gaspar
Moreno, por no haber recibido pago ninguno, mediante su hermano Baltasar
Moreno, dejó hacer ejecución en sus bienes. Cuando en octubre de este mismo
año, Alonso Sánchez de Figueroa, alcalde mayor de la provincia de *Colima*,
le visitó en su casa y le requirió a pagar la deuda compartida, Bobadilla le
contestó que no tenía con qué pagar. Fue tomado preso, pero atento que
estaba enfermo, se le asignó su casa por prisión. La deuda fue ejecutada en
algunos bienes, sobre todo en una huerta de cacao, en una silla de jinete y
ropa. Lo mismo se hizo con los otros deudores. El 17 de noviembre de 1568 en
la villa de *Colima*, durante el remate de los tributos de *Chiametla* y *
Tlacatipa*, compró 8 mantas y 2 piernas, por 3 pesos cada manta. Aún vivía
como vecino en la villa de *Colima* en febrero de 1574, y estaba litigando
como cesionario de Gonzalo de Cáceres, ante el alcalde mayor de *Colima* y
ante la *Aud.** de México*, por 1,500 pesos de oro común que le debía Pedro
de Arévalo, difunto (Benítez, 1991: 92 y 114; Diego Fernández Sotelo, 1994:
139; Romero de Solís, 1995: 103, 121, 137s, 145, 147, 157, 166, 197s, 202,
216, 222s, 236s, 243 y 416s).

Bacilia Delgado Dias Grandparents

While I believe I found Bacilia’s grandparents, I would really appreciate others opinions. Thanks
My third great grandmother most likely born in either pinos Zacatecas or Aguascalientes married Miguel. (their children are either given as Espanoles except one)

Bacilia Delgado Dias 1782–L75M-9BD cc 11 February 1804 Miguel Contreras 1780–L2W3-JKZ
1. Child: Jose Manuel Salvador Contreras
Padrinos: Santiago Dias and Micaela Gomes
2. Child Rafael de los Santos Contreras (parents given are Santiago Dias and Micaela Gomes
3. Child Maria Leandra Contreras
Padrinos: Don Santiago Dias y Manuela Delgado
4. Child Guadalupe (no birth record found marriage record found)
5. Tivurcio Contreras (PP: Castaneda and Arias)
6. Ysidro de Jesus Contreras (PP: Dn. Alvino Martines y Da. Maria Petra Martines de Sotomayor
7. Miguel Contreras (PP: Mariano Carreon y Petra Martines)
8. There are several more children but must be grandchildren as this couple had many switches of names and grandchildren grandparents.
Bacilia had a sister (just found it) named:

Petra Manuela Delgado
1793–Deceased • LBHK-L7Z

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-H1T
One of the testigos Santiago Dias de 66 Anos Espanol de Oficio Lavrador (¿) de Azogueros. He goes on to give testimony and ends that because he has a relationship that of grandfather (es nieta) does not stop me from telling the truth.
Because I know that his wife is Michaela Gomes, I was able to locate a record of them I had created some time ago. They were parents to Pedro Antonio Dias de Leon (don’t know where the de Leon came from). Which led me to their marriage record that has only his name as Joseph Santiago de Padres no Conocidos and later the dias de leon appears though the first had Santiago, and Antonia had Dias.

Don Joseph Santiago Diaz de Leon 1742– L2VD-WCD cc Dona Michaela Gomez 1746–
Marriage: November 1763 Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7TC-4

Children (3)
1. Maria Gertrudis Dias de Leon Gomes
1765–Deceased • M3WH-B3L
2. Maria Antonia Diaz Gomes
1767–Deceased • M39G-XFQ
3. Pedro Antonio Dias de Leon

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both post and read to/from the various forums.

So with this change for the newest members keep it in mind that you all
would do best to move strongly in the direction of posting and reading from
the WEBSITE (http://nuestrosranchos.org ) only.

Sorry about this but that's just the way it is for now and maybe
permanently.

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Making The Change: To WebOnly

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forums. The email delivery system was not distributing the messages with 100
percent accuracy so folks should have already been going to the website to
both post and read to/from the various forums.

So with this change for the newest members keep it in mind that you all
would do best to move strongly in the direction of posting and reading from
the WEBSITE (http://nuestrosranchos.org ) only.

Sorry about this but that's just the way it is for now and maybe
permanently.

Joseph

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Assistance with reading document/ ayuda con leer documento: carta de dote, Alfonsina de la Paz

Hola prim@s,

This is the carta de dote of my g8, Alfonsina de la Paz, who married Pedro de Guzman, 11 Feb 1629, in Guadalajara, Jal. FINALLY! A clue to her origins! But…the ink has bled through and makes the document difficult to read, and I’m unable to pull the names of her parents. They appear on lines 7 & 8, before “ya difuntos.” I have an idea of what her father’s name is, but I’d like for others to take a look, and get your take. Any assistance would be appreciated!
Gracias!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Pedro de Guzman ortorga carta de dote a favor de su muger Alfonsina de la Paz

Nicolas de Escamilla and Michaela de Lomelin Jalostotitlan

Hello Primos,

I been trying to figure out who the parents of Nicolas de Escamilla and Micaela de Lomelin are. their son Juan Manuel Escamilla was baptized 4 July 1711 in Jalostotilan Padrinos Carlos Francisco de Vallarta y Juana de Lomelin. Nicolas became a window a few years after, married Manuela de Alfaro sometime between 1711 and 1714 family moved to Ayo el Chico. Juan Manuel Escamilla married Juana Quiteria de Alfaro Perez Oct 1727 in Ayo el Chico. Looks like the record for Jalos don't back further than 1698. I tried to look for Micaelas death record see if i could find another clue, but just to my luck the record from 1711-1714 dont exist. Does anyone know where i could find more information for the record of Jalos before 1700s, or does anyone know have more information on the Escamilla families from Los Altos.

Juan Manl Baptism.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XY2P-8?i=101&cc=187459…

Thanks

Aaron Torres Mendoza

Lizama Surname?

I recently discovered a paternal line that leads back to Gregorio Lizama, circa 1810, father of Severiano Lizama, and husband of Guadalupe Guerrero. There is no indication of the birth location of Gregorio or Guadalupe.

I found the death record of Severiano showing his death taking place in Tepic, Nayarit on 02 May 1876. The record indicates he was originally from Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60481/004882108_01514/704557?backu…

Does anyone have or know of a Lizama family in their tree? I am looking for a direct male descendent that would be willing to take a Y-DNA test, at my expense.

Thanks in advance for any input,
Roy

duarte families

can anyone tell me about the duarte families while rereading notes and or family search records my line is looking to be as follows:

Francisco Duarte
7th great-grandfather
Benancio Duarte
son of Francisco Duarte
Jose Ponciano Duarte (1809 - 1862)
son of Benancio Duarte
Maria Aleja Duarte
daughter of Jose Ponciano Duarte
Romualdo Coronado (1849 - 1916)
son of Maria Aleja Duarte
Francisco Coronado (1869 - )
son of Romualdo Coronado
Felisitas Coronado (1896 - 1974)
daughter of Francisco Coronado
John Coronado Martinez (1930 - 1994)
son of Felisitas Coronado
Johnny S. Martinez (1950 - )
son of John Coronado Martinez
Stephanie L. Martinez
You are the daughter of Johnny S. Martinez

however i havent found anything concerning my th great grandparents names as francisco duarte and or juana maria de los santos. the family search record was found here as noted: COPY
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Francisco Duarte
mentioned in the record of Jose Venancio Duarte and Maria Antonia Rodriguez
Name Francisco Duarte
gender Male
Wife Juana Maria De Los Santos
Son Jose Venancio Duarte
Other information in the record of Jose Venancio Duarte and Maria Antonia Rodriguez
from Mexico Marriages
Name Jose Venancio Duarte
Spouse's Name Maria Antonia Rodriguez
Event Date 06 Jan 1799
Event Place La Purisima Concepcion,Catorce,San Luis Potosi,Mexico
Father's Name Francisco Duarte
Mother's Name Juana Maria De Los Santos
Spouse's Father's Name Ynosencio Rodriguez
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Juliana Mata

im stuck in this area also for road blocks sighs and would like to know the histories of these families

Ways to find Pablo de Alba ?

Dear Primos,
I have been trying with no aveil, to find a brother of (Jose) Pedro de Alba Perez, he was the youngest, named Pablo of parents: (Jose) Lamberto (de) Alva Jimenes and Librada Perez Muños, most probably born in San Juan de los Lagos. He is mentioned in one of my Grandfather's book, mentions that he was a Shoemaker. Only reference that I can find is his marriage to Maria Josefa Padilla Gonzalez, 19 July 1910 in San Juan de los Lagos.
Had to be born after 1886, (date my grandfather was born).
Is there another search engine other than Familysearch ??
I have tried most conbinations, such as: de Alba, Alva, Jose Pablo, with Lamberto and Librada as parents,
Nothing works,
Any hints, or help will be greatly appreciated.
The novice 
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Calvillo, Ags. 1834 Census de la parroquia.

Saludos, the Path on NR as follows :
FILES > REFERENCE MATERIALS > VALLE DE HUEJUCAR is a .doc document
... This seems to be a reference to LDS film number 635924 San Jose de Calvillo
... It seems to indicate this is a Census of the parish...
..
I have been unable to locate a link to view this film online searching by the film number. It only directs me to the entire Ags. Catalog.

...If anyone can direct me to this it would be appreciated. I am also searching for (If it Exists) Padron de 1820 for Calvillo, Ags.

Additionally I would like to view the Huanusco,Zac. & Tabasco, Zac. census from either of this years 1820 & 1834.

... Gracias.. David.

Help reading document. Phelipe Mexia and Ma de la Rosa Sandoval marriage Nochistlan

Hi,
I am having trouble following who is whose parent, grandparent, and great grandparent.
I got so far that Bernardino Mexia and Maria de Luna are Phelipe's parents.
But I can't figure out how Melchor de Moscoso y Sandoval, Mariana de Moscoso de Sandoval, and Magdalena de Islas are related.

Guadalajara-> Guadalajara Diocesis-> matrimonios 1724 to 1725-> images 454 to 458 out of 622.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y9C-CP?i=455&wc=12512…

Presentación personal / Personal Introduction

Presentación personal / Personal Introduction

Saludos a todos / Greetings everyone,

I am new to the group, although not so new to doing Los Altos genealogical research. My name is Kassandra Brenot; I am the great-grand-daughter of a Los Altos couple who came to the U.S. during the cristero war.

About 25 years ago I began researching my family roots in Los Altos, thanks to my Marquez cousins and the Somos Primos group in the greater Los Angeles area (including Mimi Lozano and Mary Lou Montagna and the stellar work they all got me going on, for which I shall be forever indebted). While my professional and family duties have pulled me away from my passion for genealogy over the course of the past twenty years or so, through some recent unexpected encounters through my work I have reconnected with my Los Altos roots...

I am the head of an all girls, Catholic boarding school in Monterey, California and have discovered that a few of the families at my school are Los Altos families! Knowing the prevalence of endogamia amongst los alteños, I figured we must be related so.... during my summer vacation, I dug back into my old files and jumped online and have been helping these families get started on researching their lines.

Lo and behold, we are related and we are now looking to start a small Los Altos research group here on the Monterey Peninsula. We had our first mini-get together last night with a small group that represented Ramirez, Loza, Campos and Gutierrez. Some of the members of these families immigrated only within the past 20 years, while others immigrated in the 1950s, settling in the Salinas Valley. As for my own family, it was my great-grandparents María Gonzalez Muñoz and José Lorenzo Loza Muñoz who emigrated from San Miguel el Alto to Carpinteria, California in 1926. Some of the names I am researching farther back in my lines (in the areas of Jalostotitlán, San Juan, Aguascalientes and Ayo el Chico) are the following:

Baeza
Becerra
Camacho-Riquelme
Fernández de Rueda
García de Miranda
González de Rubalcava
Hernández de Arellano
Hurtado de Mendoza
Lomellini
López de Fueresclava
Muños de Nava y Estrada
Loza y Linares
Lozano Vásquez
Machuca
Ornelas
Vásquez Cermeño

Through this group, I hope to fill in a few holes I have in my chart, as well as to help guide some of these families as they begin discovering the joy of researching their Los Altos family history. What I also hope to learn more about through this group is the rich history and traditions of the Los Altos region: I was only about 8 when my great-grandmother died so what little I know about Los Altos is what I have read about, found online, or heard about through cousins, grandparents and family friends.

(Hablo español)

Saludos a todos,
Kassandra