Andrés de la Torre and Marcela de Araiza

I found three different marriage records for Andrés de la Torre and Marcela de Araiza and I am trying to make sense of them.

The first record, dated January 1721 (El Sagrario, Aguascalientes), states they are “casado y no velado” in the margin.

The second record, dated 24 January 1721 (Ojuelos), says “case y vele” in the text.

The third record, dated 6 years later on 24 February 1727 (Asientos), states “bendiciones nupciales” in the text and “casados y velados” in the margin.

I suspect they are the same couple in the first two records but I am not so sure about the third. Unfortunately for me the latter is the only one of the three that provides the names of their parents.

Is anyone else familiar with this couple or their respective families? Any assistance, information, or insight given would be greatly appreciated.

Help with location or current name of Haltillero (spelling?) and Tepetitiq (spelling?) near Nochistlan

Hi,

I have tried looking up Haltillero (spelling?) and Tepetitiq (spelling?) near Nochistlan and have come up empty. I put the links below.

Nochistlan -> Entierros 1739-1771 -> Image 463 bottom left.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T89K-9V?i=462&wc=3P9V-…

Nochistlan - > Matrimonios 1736-1762 -> Image 377 middle right.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T79J-9L?i=376&wc=3P9F-…

Pedro Carrillo de Avila

Hello,
Looking for the parents of Pedro Carrillo de Avila. On some of family trees published online is mentioned that Pedro Carrillo de Avila (husband of Maria Sancha de Velmar) was the son of JORGE HERNANDEZ and INES DE OJEDA. Unfortunately the trees don't have the source for this information. Any idea where to find this information?

Any info would be greatly appreciated

Thank you

susana L

Does anyone have info on Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes 1740?

I have a Pedro Huizar on my family tree. But I am curious of a Pedro Huizar that appears on this link of Texas history that says he was born in Aguascalientes, Mexico in 1740:

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fhu22

The Pedro Huizar was from Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico that married in 1742 at San Andres Del Astillero of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://funkyimg.com/view/2GAfA

He would be too old to be the Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes in 1740. So I am curious to see if the Pedro Huizar in my family tree had a son name Pedro Huizar.

Does anyone have any information on who the parents are of Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes in 1740?

Does anyone have info on Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes 1740?

I have a Pedro Huizar on my family tree. But I am curious of a Pedro Huizar that appears on this link of Texas history that says he was born in Aguascalientes, Mexico in 1740:

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fhu22

The Pedro Huizar was from Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico that married in 1742 at San Andres Del Astillero of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://funkyimg.com/view/2GAfA

He would be too old to be the Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes in 1740. So I am curious to see if the Pedro Huizar in my family tree had a son name Pedro Huizar.

Does anyone have any information on who the parents are of Pedro Huizar born in Aguascalientes in 1740?

Ocotospa

Has anyone heard of a place called "Ocotospa"?
That is what I was able to understand from the writing, but I could be wrong.
Relatives are from Atenguillo, but couldn't locate this "Ocotospa".
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Cuquío San Felipe Matrimonios 1762-1787, 1789-1795
Page 353 of 689

Don Adres Sanchez y Margarita Placiensia

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FQ6B-4?i=352&wc=3JHS-F…

Carrasco Suarez Family

Muy buenas tardes a todos
Quisiera saber si alguien tiene información acerca de siguiente matrimonio compuesto por Francisco Carrasco y Joaquina Suarez, posiblemente de La Barca, ya que 6 hijos de dicho matrimonio nacieron en el dicho pueblo, sus hijos fueron:

Josefa Aurelia nacida en 1780
Antonio Joseph Vicente nacido en 1740
Rita Josepha Antonia nacida en 1742
Agustina Rosalia Prudencia nacida en 1745
Agustin nacido en 1753
Francisco nacido en 1738 y casado con Maria Teresa Galvan de Rojas Galvan, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCQX-MXN

Capitan Francisco de Escobedo

Hello,

I need help locating the Will of Francisco de Escobedo. According with Leonardo de la Torre Berumen the capitan died on april 24 of 1647 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Does anyone know where to find the will? What archive? Does anyone have the source for this document?

Thank you. Any information would be greatly appreciated

susana L

Hola,

Necesito ayuda para localizar el testamento del capitan Francisco de Escobedo. De acuerdo con Leonardo de la Torre Berumen el capitan murio el 24 de april de 1647 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Alguien sabe donde encontrar este testamento? En que archivo? Alguien tiene la fuente documental de este testamento?

Gracias de antemano. Cualquier informacion la agradeceria

Susana L

Capitan Francisco de Escobedo

Hello,

I need help locating the Will of Francisco de Escobedo. According with Leonardo de la Torre Berumen the capitan died on april 24 of 1647 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Does anyone know where to find the will? What archive? Does anyone have the source for this document?

Thank you. Any information would be greatly appreciated

susana L

Hola,

Necesito ayuda para localizar el testamento del capitan Francisco de Escobedo. De acuerdo con Leonardo de la Torre Berumen el capitan murio el 24 de april de 1647 en Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Alguien sabe donde encontrar este testamento? En que archivo? Alguien tiene la fuente documental de este testamento?

Gracias de antemano. Cualquier informacion la agradeceria

Susana L

DIA DE LAS MADRES: Ana Maria India Ladina

On this Mother’s Day, I’d like to celebrate the life of a forgotten mother: Ana Maria India Ladina.

I discovered Ana Maria India Ladina while reading the informacion matrimonial of a distant family member. “India ladina” is her casta, and not her surname. It basically meant that she was indoctrinated in the Spanish and Christian ways. For lack of a surname, it’s how I refer to her.

On 27 Jan 1669, in San Luis Potosi, Ana Maria responded to the marriage banns of Marcos Villareal and Teresa de Sotomayor. She looked to be 70 years-old, and she claimed that there was an impediment to the marriage, because the groom had had a relationship with her daughter, Juana Antonia Mestiza, who was her illegitimate daughter with Spaniard Juan de Saldaña, who was the brother of Diego Mateos, who was father of the bride. Therefore, her daughter was 1st-cousin of the bride, creating an impediment of “2º grado de afinidad por copula ilicita.”

Marcos Villareal responded that, yes, Juan de Saldaña and Ana Maria India Ladina did have a relationship, before he married Maria de Castañeda, which produced 3 Mestiza daughters, all of whom Juan de Saldaña later adopted and raised with his legitimate children. If Juana Antonia Mestiza was his daughter, then he would have adopted and raised her, too. But she was born after their relationship ended, so she can’t be his daughter. Therefore, there is no impediment.

He then presented 3 witnesses to support his case: the first 2 said that they had had relationships with Ana Maria India Ladina, who also accused them of being the father of Juana Antonia Mestiza, demanding child support, and the 3rd confirmed the testimony of the first 2. They all described Ana Maria India Ladina as “una muger ramera y mundana”: a “street walker,” and “worldly.” The judge found no family link between her daughter and the bride, and the marriage proceeded.

While reading this, I was overcome by an immense wave of sorrow. I literally sobbed. All I could think about, was this poor Indian woman, over 70 years of age, to whom life had dealt a harsh hand: as a young maiden of the lower castas, she was used and exploited by men; her children were either taken away from her, or she gave them up, because she couldn’t provide for them. And now, she was being accused of being a “whore” in front of an ecclesiastical court. And to top it off, she was forgotten: as her children were born illegitimately, they are probably registered as “hijos de padres no conocidos.” Her name appears nowhere, except for on this IM. I felt an intense compassion for this woman, who was born over 400 years ago. She was the true embodiment of La Llorona (I could hear Chavela Vargas, singing in the background).

In my lines, I have a Margarita de Saldaña, who married Juan de Santiago on 16 Jun 1647, in Sierra de Pinos. My g9s. Though I know who his parents are, I don’t have her ancestry, and assumed she was probably an “hija de la yglesia.” When they married, Juan de Santiago was living in SLP, so I suspect that she was from there, and that’s where they met. On some records, she and her children are listed as “Mestizos,” so I know she was of mixed ancestry. I wonder: is my Margarita de Saldaña one of those 3 Mestiza daughters of Juan de Saldaña and Ana Maria India Ladina?? Hmm.

On this Mothers Day 2018, I celebrate you, DOÑA ANA MARIA INDIA LADINA, born around 1600, in San Luis Potosi. Though you couldn’t provide for your first 3 daughters, you made sure that they were well-taken care of, and you managed to raise the 4th on your own; she married, and raised a family, so your legacy lives on. As much as you suffered, as much as you struggled, you succeeded, and you brought life into this world. ¡QUE VIVA DOÑA ANA MARIA INDIA LADINA!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

PS - The padrino for the baptism of my Margarita de Saldaña’s first child? None other than Juan de Saldaña.

Where can I find Government Documents of Huejuquilla, Jalisco year 1880?

Does anyone have any ideas of archives that I can browse through pertaining to Government of Huejuquilla year 1880?

Because I believe that my Great Grandfather may have been the mayor of Huejuquilla in 1880 as I had seen his signatures in Civil Records of 1880 in familysearch.org.

There is a gap pertaining to who the mayors were in Huejuquilla. Missing names from years 1862 - 1895.

Felipe de Esqueda and Maria de Estrada

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking for information on Felipe de Esqueda and Maria de Estrada they
would've been born around 1650 and have at least two children born in 1675
and 1677. Felipe de Esqueda is the most likely the son baptized in 1647 and
the son of Lorenzo de Esqueda and Maria Lopez but I'm wondering if someone
knows who Maria de Estrada is the daughter of?

Danny C. Alonso

My Great Grandfather Calixto Madera Signature 1880?

My Great Grandfather Calixto Madera was born in 1853 in Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

But in the civil records of marriages of 1880. His signatures appears many times when couples would get married. Here clearly is his signature and a stamp next to his name of "Gobierno Politico De Huejuquilla." Which means he did have a Government function at Huejuquilla. It is possible he was the Mayor of Huejuquilla but in the list of mayors of Huejuquilla several years are missing 1862 - 1895.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PX1-P5?i=28&wc=MGDX-G…

http://oi68.tinypic.com/28rhcls.jpg

1668 detailed description of Huejuquilla (Huexuquilla)

I was looking at archive "Las Indias"

Did a search for "Zacatecas" and filtered by years from 1668 - 1734.

Several old books came up:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=zacatecas&&and[]=year%3A%221737%22…

I picked first book which is over 400 pages and year 1668. In the book you can do a search by word which I searched for "huexquilla" Huejuquill El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico's old name. And a detailed description came up:

https://archive.org/stream/chronicadelaprov00arle#page/168/mode/2up/sea…

1668 detailed description of Huejuquilla (Huexuquilla)

I was looking at archive "Las Indias"

Did a search for "Zacatecas" and filtered by years from 1668 - 1734.

Several old books came up:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=zacatecas&&and[]=year%3A%221737%22…

I picked first book which is over 400 pages and year 1668. In the book you can do a search by word which I searched for "huexquilla" Huejuquill El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico's old name. And a detailed description came up:

https://archive.org/stream/chronicadelaprov00arle#page/168/mode/2up/sea…

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Hi Daniel. Jose Ricardo de Jesus Ortiz was christened the same year Maria
Justa de Jesus Maldonado was christened (1834). Both families were living in
the same place: "Arroyo Seco de Arriba". The parents of Jose Ricardo are
*Jose Francisco Ortiz* and *Maria Juana Gonzalez*. So Jose Ricardo is the
brother of Maria Francisca Ortiz. Their 4 grandparents are listed in the
christening record of Jose Ricardo:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1997-79 [1]

[1] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1997-79

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maternal grandparents of Maria Francisca
    and Jose Ricardo
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Hi Daniel. The names of the maternal grandparents are Jose Silverio Gonzalez
and Maria Nieves Nava. Maria Juana Gonzalez had a sister named Maria Luisa.
Maria Luisa got married on 03 May 1830:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXD-Q68 [1]
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Maria Isidora Hinojosa's last name: There is a spelling error. The editor
wrote Maria Isidra Inojosa.

[1] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXD-Q68

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Maria Francisca Ortiz - looking for her grandparents

Hi all. I need a little help. I am looking for a bautismo for Maria Francisca Ortiz (aka Franca). Her children’s bautismo indicate that the maternal grandparents are Franco Ortis and Maria Juana Gonzales. However, I have not found a bautismo for Maria Francisca Ortiz. I want to find out who were her grandparents.
Hope this is not too confusing.

Info for Maria Francisca Ortiz :

Husband: Jose Antonio Maldonado
Children: Maria Justa de Jesus Maldonado
Born 18 jul 1834 Tepetongo, Zac, Mexico

Maria Justa de Jesus Ortis Maldonado
1 aug 1835 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mex

Jose Cristobol de Jesus Maldonado
1842 Arroyo Seco de Bajo

Please Help!
Garcias.

Help on defuncion Librada Perez Muñoz

I would greatly appreciate any leads on how to find info on the death of Librada Perez Muñoz, wife of Lamberto de Alba Jimenez. I am quite sure she died in Aguascalientes (have found the grave of Lamberto in Aguascalientes cementary). I am a bit overwhelm by the prospect of looking at whole acres of tombs, they register the tombs by the person that bought the space not by the person buried in it. 
Any Help would be greatly appreciated,
Abraham de Alba Avila(son of Jorge, grandson of Pedro )

Death Date of Librada Perez Muñoz

I am a bit perplexed by the search engines, I have tried different spellings and I can see the mothers last name is not used until recently, such that the grave of Lamberto (her husband) only says "de Alba" no mention his mother, Jimenes. Lamberto died in Aguascalientes, so it would natural to think that she died in the same city.

Any leads would be greatly appreciate,

Abraham de Alba Avila
(son of Jorge, grandson of Pedro, greatgrandson of Lamberto)

Jesus, Guadalajara

hello Nuestros Ranchos forum,

i'm looking for a couple that baptized a child in the parish of Jesus, Guadalajara but there's no record for the couple or the grandparents that are named located in this parish. Does anyone know what the nearest location to Guadalajara would be?

Danny C. Alonso