FW: Somos Primos "We are Cousins" Febuary 2018

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UNITED STATES
The Genius of America, Warren Buffett Shares the Secret of Wealth in America Extract from "Turn On Your Light" by Sharon Eubank Martin Luther King Day, Monday, January 15, 2018 was a Day of Service Subtracting College Algebra by Oscar S. Ramirez, Ph.D .
How religious is California compared to the rest of the U.S.? Islamic America: Muslims to Become 2nd-Largest Religious Minority by
2040
What Causes wildfires? Humans, experts say . . . by Liset Marquez
Tribal College Journal
Franklin, the US state that could have been by José Antonio Lopez Median US Household Income by Ethnic Groups Benefits of Working for the Federal Government What happened in the US in 2017?

SPECIAL: Where Does Marijuana Fit In?
Everything to know about California marijuana laws kicking in January 1,
2018
Can pot blunt the Opioid epidemic?
Aury L. Holtzman, M.D. Physician cannabis expert, says: "Absolutely Yes!"

SPANISH PRESENCE in the AMERICAS ROOTS
Equus Survival Trust of North Carolina
June 8-10, 2018: Ninth annual Conference on the American Revolution
2017-2018 SAR Americanism Poster Contest: Theme: General Bernardo de Galvez Nace La Fundación Civilización Hispánica HERITAGE PROJECTS Bernardo de Galvez Documentary Project

HISTORICAL TIDBITS
Lost History of American Documentary: Year 1565 Saint Augustine
10 Mentiras Prohibidas del Descubrimiento Conquista de America

HISPANIC LEADERS
Edward Soza: March 24, 1921 - December. 28, 2017 at 96 years old Business Exporter and author of six books on the Soza family of Tucson, Arizona

LATINO PATRIOTS
Specialist 4 Frankie Sanchez, Remembering Frankie by James S. Robbins Frankie Sanchez U.S. Army, 1st Cavalry Division by Rudy Padilla EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS The Online Home of the Grranaderos y Damas de Galvez, San Antonio chapter June 8-10, 2018: Spain and the American revolution, Ninth annual Conference

SURNAMES
Acevedo
Acosta
Discover the meaning and history behind your last name DNA Eva Longoria, the actress. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. RootsTech Saturday, March 3, 2018, at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City, Utah Who am I by J.Gilberto Quezada

FAMILY HISTORY
My Family History: Chapter 2 The First House . . 10 questions I Made It To 74 by Julio Guerrero Write Your Life Story, 52 Stories by Family Search July 16-20, 2018: Voces Oral History Research: Summer Institute:
EDUCATION
Ethnic Studies Learning Channel, Chusma House Ethnic Studies Now Coalition Resources
March 29, 2018: Lead Summit IX
United We Learn, Resources for underrepresented students

HEALTH/MEDICINE
What is the mark up on drugs? Sharon L. Davis, U.S. Department of Commerce Answers The World's Greatest Grandpa by Dr. Joseph Morris Review by Laura Perry Elder Action: Info to encourage seniors to nurture their well-being by Jim Vogel Beginner's Guide to Vegetable Gardening by Tim Graham

CULTURE
How Lin-Manuel Miranda's non-stop work ethic from a young age made 'Hamilton' one of the
most successful musicals of all time by Carrie Wittmer Spanish organist Raul Prieto Ramirez Named San Diego Civic Organist BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA A Subversive Bull: Robert Lawson and the story of Ferdinand by Philip Kennedy Desde de luego soy: Escribano Chicano de Califas by Refugio Rochin, Ph.D. To x or not to x, that is the question to ask FILMS, TV, RADIO, INTERNET National Association of Latino Independent Producers - NALIP: We are Inclusion Breath of Fire workshop: Intro to TV Writing with Producer, Gabriel Llanas

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
Saturday, February 10th: SHHAR, John Schmal, “The History of Northwestern Mexico” Saturday, February 24th: Leroy Martinez, "From Across the Spanish Empire"
Westminster 1868 street map
Community Embraces Dr. Vela book: TRACKS to the Westminster Barrio
1902 to 1980s
The Orange County Heritage by Eddie Grijlava The Preservationist Toolkit – The Basics of Preservation Planning, Technology and Advocacy The Acjachemen Indians of OC Story Project: Indigenous Voices of San Juan Capistrano

LOS ANGELES COUNTY
From San Antonio to Bunker Hills in Los Angeles by Mimi Lozano Feb 1: Downtown L.A. Historic Core: Touring Some of the Newest Adaptive Reuse Projects February 10th: Immigrant Stories, and American Journey February 13th: Jose G. Ramos Bicycle Whittier Monument Committee Theatre at Ace Hotel Millennium Biltmore Hotel

CALIFORNIA
April 27-29: California LULAC State Convention in Riverside I made it to 74 by Julio Guerrero South Colton Oral History Project by Dr. Tom Rivera Nature Conservancy acquires coastal land Informative Resources for California ResidentsNORTHWESTERN, US Reno's Monument to the Basque Sheepherder Gets a Facelift Hallan nuevas evidencias del descubrimiento español de Colorado

SOUTHWESTERN, US
January 13th, 1847 -- Future scalp hunter enlists in army Los Presidios Espanoles en Norteamerica, Los Dragones de Cuera

TEXAS
February 22: 120th Anniversary Laredo George Washington Parade and George Washington and Robert E. Lee: A Familial Relationship by J.
Gilberto Quezada
The City of Laredo Commemorates George Washington's 120th Birthday Celebration
by J. Gilberto Quezada
March 8-10, 2018: TSHA's 122nd Annual Meeting in San Marcos Sept 27 – Sept 29, 2018: 39th Annual Texas State Hispanic Genealogical and Historical Conference January 3rd, 1850 -- Presidio County established History of Galveston Island December 28th, 1859 -- Oldest Jewish house of worship in Texas chartered Lady Bird Johnson Wielded Power With Delicate Touch by K.A. Brower
Free online ebooks for Texas Researchers, Research by Crispin Rendon

Intro de Alba Perez

First of all, thank you for accepting me, This is certainly not my field, but I am familiar with research (biological). What I have found so far: My grand father PEDRO DE ALBA PEREZ (1887-1960), was born in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco since he was fairly educated, wrote a fair amount on several themes, and one of them was his child growing times, but no dates. So I know the names of his brothers and sisters, but no dates, am pretty sure all born in San Juan, although the family was accoustomed to moving around (but not very far). Brothers and Sisters: TIMOTEO, SALVADOR, PABLO, MARIA DE LA LUZ, CATALINA, ADELAIDA, GUADALUPE (I know she was a teacher and a school nearby has her name -need to ask if they have a biblio).Great-grand father (JOSE) LAMBERTO (DE) ALBA JIMENES (bat 1853, married 1880, d. ?) married LIBRADA PEREZ MUÑOS (b. ?, chris. 1863, d. ?) in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco.
It is clear to me that the (de) subscript was used rather loosely, and maybe only to note that it came from a "spanish" (vs. indian or criollo), I am a bit unsure about the spelling of ALBA, I have seen it with ALVA, so I am not sure if they are the same in the mind of the scribes that registred the bautisms.
I have found www.familysearch.org, very helpful, and although I have published my tree in www.geneanet.org , but the search engine is very poor (but found a tree by a UNAM resarcher that shows (JOSE) BLAS (DE) ALBA PERES (father of Lamberto) no (de) in the names).
I would greatly appreciate if anyone can direct me to any steps or search engines I should try. My file:http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Abraham

“If all you are trying to do is essentially the same thing as everyone else, then it’s unlikely you will be very successful.”   ~ Michael Porter

Abraham de Alba Avila
Terrestrial Plant Ecology, Permaculture and Holistic Management & Low Stress Animal Handling SKYPE: adealba55  cel: 449-100-9966

de Bargas Castaneda in Milpillas Zacatecas

Hello all,

I’m new here and sort of new to family research and have run into a few brick walls in my direct line. One of them is an Augustin Flores de la Torre cc Cathalina de Bargas Castaneda. They were Spanish and probably born between 1680-1690 in Milpillas and the records are coming out of Teul in Zacatecas. I descend from their daughter Francisca Flores de la Torre married to Martin del Muro. She’s either their first child or the first child I’ve found a record for, but she was baptized in Teul on 20 May 1706.

Augustin and Cathalina’s other kids are:

10 May 1710 in Teul - Maria Gertrudis. Godparent is Luis Flores de la Torre
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6437-VK?i=209&wc=3PSK-…

12 Jun 1713 in Teul - Augustin. Godparents Luis Flores and Beatriz Flores
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6437-8S?i=220&wc=3PSK-…

05 May 1715 in Teul - Toribio. Godparents Bernardo Roman and Gertrudis
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6437-XY?i=225&wc=3PSK-…

14 July 1717 in Teul - Antonia Beatriz. Godparents Luis Flores de la Torre and Teresa del Rio (note: they seem to have accidentally said Luis is the father)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6437-51?i=241&wc=3PSK-…

Two of Francisca and Martin del Muro’s sons were issued marriage dispensations.

My ancestor Cristobal’s focuses on how he and Maria Velasquez are related through the Marquez de Ulloa/Ruiz de Esparza line
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65S1-SQ?i=802&wc=3J47-…

His brother Augustin Prudencio’s is more relevant here and is mostly about his relation to the bride on the Castaneda line, but their grandmothers are also related on the Ulloa line.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9L-5J?cc=1874591&wc=3J4S…

It basically says the following:
Pedro de Castaneda . . . Joseph de Castaneda (brothers)
Francisca de Castaneda . . . Pedro de (Bargas) Castaneda (cc Maria de Ulloa)
Cathalina de (Bargas) Castaneda . . . Alexandro de Castaneda (I’ve seen him call himself Nicolas Alexandro a time or two)
Francisca Flores de la Torre . . . Francisca Xaviera Castaneda (the bride)
Augustin Prudencio del Muro (the groom)

The older Pedro, Joseph, and Francisca’s spouses aren’t given. On the baptism records of their kids, both Cathalina the grandmother and Pedro (the cousin) sometimes use de Bargas Castaneda. I know there’s a Nicolas Castaneda married to an Anna de Vargas, but they were married in the 1650s. The timeline seems a little tight for Pedro (the brother of Joseph) to be one of their children and have a great grand daughter by 1706. I know Nicolas’ father is another Pedro de Castaneda married to a Jacinta de Sotomayor, but is there another Bargas Castaneda line? Unless I’ve read the dispensation wrong.

Dos anyone with more knowledge of this family or who has this line in their tree have any information or insight? Teul doesn’t seem to have the marriage records this far back to look for parents.

As for Augustin Flores de la Torre . . . I thought he would fit into the more well known Flores de la Torre family, but I have no idea how.

It appears Cathalina passed away though and Augustin remarried to a Geronima de Guzman about 1720 in Teul

They have the following children:
11 Sep 1723 in Teul - Joseph Santiago Flores Guzman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643Q-GV?i=299&wc=3PSK-…
From Milpillas. Padrinos: Luis Flores de la Torre and Francisca Flores de la Torre

8 Nov 1726 in Teul - Juan Joseph Flores Guzman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643Q-FV?i=320&wc=3PSK-…
From Milpillas. Padrinos: Antonio de Robles and Agustina Antonia de Aragon

18 May 1729 in Teul - Luis Maria Flores Guzman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6433-1R?i=334&wc=3PSK-…
From Milpillas. Padrinos: Joseph Cobarrubias and Teresa? Carlos de Godoy

I'm still looking through the records, but any help would be appreciated.

Andrea

Apellidos Hurtado- Vallejo Pérez -De Alba de jalostotitlán Jalisco y alrededores

Que tal? soy Raúl Hurtado Pérez, oriundo de la ciudad de México pero toda mi
familia es de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. Tengo varios años tras la pista de mis
antepasados y la verdad es que encontrado algunos dato pero me encantaría
saber si alguno de ustedes tiene más información al respecto. Mis familias
son Hurtado, Vallejo, pérez y De Alba principalmente.

Entre mis antepasados por parte de los hurtado y vallejo se encuentran
Anselmo Hurtado Romo, Petra Gutierrez jimenez, jacinto Hurtado gonzalez,
Jose maria pioquinto hurtado, jose pedro de hurtado, dorotea romo jimenez,
severiano gutierrez, maria felicitas jimenez robledo, luis jimenez y josefa
robledo. además leonardo vallejo casillas y felipa mercado gutierrez, jose
carmen mercado reynoso y teresa gutierrez, silverio vallejo jimenez y
juliana casillas cruz, felipe vallejo y canuta jimenez, pantaleon casillas
santacruz y silveria cruz villalpando, mariano vallejo reynoso y maria
dolores ignacia ramirez alvarez, jose manuel vallejo alvarez y dominga
reynoso, carlos casillas y antonia santacruz, mariano cruz y jesus
villalpando, ignacio bartolo ramirez alvarez y maria guadalupe alvarez,
antonio justo vallejo de herrera y maria feliciana alvarez tostado, lucas
vallejo coldivar y thomasina de herrera, joseph vallejo martin y
sra.coldivar, antonia de vallejo y clara martin. por lo que he escuchado e
investigado la rama de los hurtado vienen de San miguel el Alto y los
vallejo de el Valle de Guadalupe. la familia hurtado vallejo se dio origen
en los ranchos de cerro colorado, monte largo, el potrero del burro, etc,
entre Jalos y El valle de guadalupe

Port la rama de los perez y de alba se encuentran bruno perez de alba y
juana perez cornejo, reyes perez jimenez y donaciana de alba de rueda,
francisco perez y luz jimenez, miguel de rueda y maria gomez, feliciano
perez ornelas y maria praxedis cornejo, patricio cornejo y lucia enriquez y
epifanio perez y felipa hernandez. por lo que he escuchado e investigado la
rama de los perez son de jalos o de teocaltiche y los de alba de san juan de
los lagos. la familia perez de Alba se dio origen en los ranchos de la
estancia, santa isabel las tortugas, etc, entre Jalos y teocaltiche.

Espero que alguien me pudiera proporcionar informacion al respecto

gracias

Raúl Hurtado Pérez

1820 Padron (Census) of Jalpa, Zac

Hello,
I've scanned in the images from the 1820 Census of the Parish of Jalpa, Zacatecas. I hope they'll be useful to you, especially since the records for Jalpa in the early 1800s are so scant.

You can download the zip fie from here:
www.arturogonzalez.com/1820JalpaPadron.zip

The complete file is about 50MB.

As I understand it, houses or households are separated by a long line. But there are a few symbols that I can't figure out, such as those found in this image:
www.arturogonzalez.com/1820-002-Jalpa.jpg

The names have a cross next to them--does this mean the person has been confirmed?

There's also a symbol that looks like the Greek letter PSY. Sometimes it's next to a name and other times it's given by itself at the end of the household.

There's also a number that sometimes is given at the end of the household, but I can't figure out what this refers to. Sometimes it's next to a name and other times, next to the symbol that looks like the Greek letter PSY.

Any input would be helpful.

Thanks
Arturo G

Escrituras 1691 - 1738, Padrones 1639 - 1735

I was looking at microfilm of Escrituras:
Escrituras 1691 - 1738
Film/DGS # 169054

I only looked at the first few pages as immediately I was reading a lot of interesting things and how the seals/stamps that were on the escrituras. I only read the first few pages because I ended up chatting about geneology with one of the aides at the LDS center that was helping me make copies. The title of the microfilm is:

Archivo De La Sagrada Mita
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Escrituras
Hojas Sueltas, Siglo XVII

But when I first began reading the first pages I was seeing escrituras dating back to 1598!! I wrote down some notes on what one said, "Bellade San Felipe 28 de Septiembre 1598 Trespaso Valle de San Francisco, Juan Diaz Domingo Palacios. Hacienda de Domingo Gallegos 1597" as example. I liked the seal/stamp I saw on another escritura year 1707 and made two copies of it:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/11vgmds.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/jsbr42.jpg

And the seal/stamp on the first page of this escritura year 1692/1693:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/ojknrl.jpg

I am looking for the Escrituras of my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) from Minilla, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico area. His wife Maria De La Canderlia (1655 - 1735) had left a testamento at Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico.

I was also looking at

Padrones 1639 - 1775
Film/DGS # 168804

Didn't find the census of our region in the Huejuquilla/Mezquitic. I wrote some notes on what it contained:

Laguna,
Juchipila,
Xalpa - 1769 census
Monterrey, Valle De La Pinas - 1762 Census
Rancho Del Maraoach???
Villa de ? Caliente Census
Pueblo Teoquitatlan 1765 Census
Hacienda de Toluquilla

There are census of several villages I am not familiar with in that microfilm. I made a copy of the title page of one of the Census in that microfilm which is this:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/5l3n21.jpg

I am not familiar with that place. Where is it?

APELLIDOS RANGEL AGUASCALIENTES ZACATECAS JALISCO

Hola a todos,
Tengo los siguientes datos de mi línea sucesoria sin embargo no logro hilar correctamente los datos con mis ancestros "JUAN RANGEL DE BIEZMA Y PEGUERO y MARIA ROSALES" los cuales provienen del siglo XVI Y XVII y los datos que tengo se quedan hasta aproximadamente 1760, espero me pudieran ayudar a encontrar la línea sucesoria de mi apellido;

1. Jose Timoteo Rangel (1770 aprox)
+ Married w/ Ma. Dolores Esparza
2 Gil Rangel Esparza (Owner of several haciendas in Aguascalientes and Zacatecas)
+ Married w/Maria Ciriaca Garcia Villalpando 24 de junio 1818
3 Merced Rangel Garcia
+ Married w/ Brigida Guinchard
4. Arnulfo Rangel Guinchard
+ Married w/ M. Higareda
5. Arnulfo Rangel Higareda
+ Married w/ Maria Luisa Moran Macías

SAN MATIAS SIERRA DE PINOS: CONFIRMACIONES 1621 & 1627

Hola prim@s,

These are transcriptions of photocopies of the original books, that were provided by Mary Lou Montagna.

This volume includes:
Confirmaciones Jun 1621
Confirmaciones Jan 1627

Notes on orthography and abbreviations used:

As this is a transcription, I’ve attempted to stay true to what I see written. This means using the spellings and abbreviations of names used during that era - though without the superscripted text. Most of it is intuitive: “Juo” for “Juan,” “Frnco” for “Francisco,” “Ma” for “Maria,” “Cata” for “Catalina,” “Mn” for “Martin,” “Xo” for “Cristobal,” etc.

Other abbreviations used:

“come” = comadre
“compe” = compadre
“dha/dho” = dicha/dicho

Notes:

The pages, Pinos 31 & 32, have no headers, date, location, nor signature of cura nor notary. Appears to be a different notary, and likely from a later date (date on previous image was 29 Jan 1627). I say that, since many of these children were baptized at later dates, some as late as 22 Apr 1634. I’ll have to cross-reference these with other records, to get a fix on the date, but for the time being, I’m going to use the date, June 1634. The edges of the pages are torn, so some names don’t appear.

¡Feliz Navidad!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Pinos 1 of 66
CONFIRMACIONES JUN 1621
p. 60
04 Jun 1621
Don Franco Rivera Obispo de Guadalaxara
En el Balle de Mesquitic en la hacienda de Andres Peres:
Melchora hija de Juo Migl y Frca Magna indios compe Juo Mn Çamora
Joan hijo de Fran y Jua indios come Ines Hernandes
Migl hijo de Magna y Juo Nicolas come la dha
Melchora hija de Fco y Ursula compe Juo Mn
Petrona hija de Salome y Juo come Luisa
Joan hijo de Mn y Justina compe Frco Gutierres de Colombres
Diego hijo de Lucas y Ma compe el dho
Esteban hijo de los dhos compe el dho
Baltasar hijo de los dhos compe el dho
Joan hijo de Baltasar y Ma compe Po
Po hijo de Juo Migl y Salome compe el dho
Joan hijo de los dhos compe el dho
Juo Migl hijo de Lucas y Ma compe Frco Gutierres de Colombres
Justina hija de la iglesia come Magna
Ana Ma hija de la iglesia compe Frco Gutierres de Colombres
Po hijo de Lucas y Justina compe Martin
Diego hijo de Maria ? y Justina compe Juo Xuares subdiacono
Juo hijo de Andres y Ma Magna compe Joan Alo
Joan hijo de Andres y Ma Magna come Anna Ma
Ana Ma hija de Cristobal y Ysabel come Ursula

Pinos 2 of 66

(confirmaciones 04 Jun 1621 cont’d)
Ma hija de Fco y Ursula come Magna Ma
Juan Fco hijo de Juo y Anna compe Po
Frco hijo de Diego y Ursula come Ursula

Este dho dia por la tarde, en la estancia llamada La Parada:
Cristina Ma hija de Joseps y Ines come Maria
Fco hijo de los dhos come la dha
Jua hija de los dhos compe Migl
Martin hijo de Lucas y Ana compe Lucas

06 Jun 1621
En el Real de la Pendencia:
Joan hijo de Juo de Cueba y Ma de Seli compe Joan Perez Alanis
Joseps hijo de los dhos compe Po Laçaro
Nicolas hijo de los dhos compe Frco de Cardona
Herdo hijo de Diego Delgado y Jua Diaz compe Domingo Diaz
Anta hija de la iglesia compe Ldo Po Laçaro
Nicolas de Juo de Toro y Agustina compe Juo Delgado
Frca de Juo de Cueba y Ma de Celi come Jua Diaz
Jua de Juo de Toro y Agustina come la dha
Juo de Frco Cardona y Magna Caravajal compe Diego Delgado
Ma de Andres Gomez y Agueda de Peña come Ma de Celi
Ana hija de la iglesia come la dha

Pinos 3 of 66
p. 61

(Confirmaciones 06 Jun 1621 cont’d)
[Page torn]-a de Elena y Diego come Maria de Celi
Isabel Marin hija de Andres Mn y Ma de los Reyes compe Po Laçaro
Cata de Agustina y Juo de Toro come Fca Martel
Joseps de Diego Delgado y Juana Diaz compe Francisco Cardona
Joseps de Juo de Toro y Agna compe Manuel Diaz
Fca de Diego Hz y Elena compe Melchor de Villaicensio
Juo de Juo Hz y Cata Gonçalez compe Migl de Sandi
Juo de Pablo y Magna compe Mn Faraz?
Juo de Marcos y Ma compe Marcos Gonçales
Marta de Ma y Pablo compe el dho
Frco de los dhos compe Cristobal
Anna de la Iglesia come Ma Magna
Anna de la Iglesia come Melchora de los Reyes
Isabel de Juo y Ma come la dha
Pablo de la Iglesia compe Juo de Toro
Maria de la Iglesia compe Melchor de Villaicensio
Petrona de Diego y Ma Magna come Ma
Ysabel de Pablo y Ma Magna come la dha
Ambrosio de la Iglesia compe Migl de Sandi
Marta de Po y Jua compe Po
Juo de Juo Migl y Beatriz compe Diego
Ma de Po y Christina come Ma
Ma de Pablo y Magna come Anna
Frca de Frco y Cata dome la dha
Ma de Lorenso y Magna come Ma
Juo de Lucas y Ma compe Andres

Pinos 4 of 66

(Confirmaciones 06 Jun 1621 cont’d)
Migl de la Iglesia compe Migl
Lorenzo de la Iglesia compe Diego Gonçalez
Christoval de la Iglesia compe Mn Jacob
Domingo de la Iglesia compe Fy Alo de Figueroa
Marta de la Iglesia compe Alo de Escajedo
Juo de la Iglesia compe Mn Jacob
Diego de Diego Gonçalez y Elena compe Melchor de Billavicencio
Joseps de Gabriel y Ma compe Sebastian
Isabel de la Iglesia come Isabel
Ma de Juo y Magna come Magna
Ma de Andres y Ma Anna come Ma
Marcos de Marcos Gonçalez y Melchora compe Ldo Po Laçaro
Magna de Juo Migl y Ma Magna come Juo Garcia
Juo de Po y Isabel compe Gabriel
Ma de Juo y Magna compe Frco
Anna de Juo y Magna come Anna
Lucia de Migl y Beatriz come Isabel Magna
Po de Andres y Magna compe Mn

Los cuales escrivi por mandado de su XXa? y para q conste lo firme en el Real de La Pendencia en dho dia mes y año d ssos Miguel Rebello

Pinos 5 of 66
p. 62

Jose Romo de Vivar, nacido en San Felipe, Guanajuato, 30 Jun 1625

I think Jose Romo de Vivar is my ancestor. The research that I and others have done suggests he was born in San Felipe in 1625, then married to Juana Solis y Calahorra in 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua. Another source, the Chihuahua Fondo Colonial records, say they were married on 12 July 1650 in San Bartolome, Valle de Allende, Chihuahua. The Presidio was in the Valle de Allende. The birth and marriage records both state that Jose Romo's parents were Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel. Another record states that Jose Romo went west to Sonora. Another researcher has him in the Pimeria Alta (in Sonora) in 1695 when he was sent to pacify the Pima Indians. This could have been a son of the same name. This same researcher has Jose Romo, born 1625, with 3 sons: Geronimo, Simon and Jose Gabriel born between 1675-1678. Although it is possible for a Jose Romo born 1625 to have 3 children between 1675-1678, it seems to me that to be in active service as a captain at age 70 in 1695, is a stretch.

Jose Romo de Vivar founded the town of Bacanuche, Sonora. A Geronimo Romo de Vivar, married to Lucia (or Luisa) Martin Bernal, had a son, Jose Antonio who was born in 1707. His birthplace in unreadable in the IM, but it was in Sonora. My 6th great grandfather, Salvador Ygnacio Romo de Vivar was born in Bacanuche, as was my 5th great grandmother Maria Rita de los Dolores Romo de Vivar y Escalante whose birth date was probably 1747. My task right now is to see if Salvador Ygnacio is a brother of Jose Antonio, and both were sons of Geronimo Romo de Vivar. Or if Salvador was a brother to Geronimo, or aany other Romo de Vivar in the Bacanuche area.

Any thoughts or information on the above would be appreciated. From Salvador Ygnacio to me, Jose-Maria Merino Arvizu, I have documented and sourced.

I thought about translating into Spanish but it seems that most speak and read both languages, so I decided against it for now. Si a alguien le dificulta entender el ingles lo traducire.

Help finding records for the correct San Sebastian, Jalisco

Hello, I am new to this site so please excuse my ignorance in researching Mexican records. I am familiar with the record system in southern Italy but I have no clue about searching records in Jalisco. I would appreciate any help in learning how the births, deaths, and marriages were reported in Jalisco during the late 1800s. I think that there were prebably two records of each event; one civil and one church. I wonder if the records were kept in each village or were they sent to a bigger, centralized location?

Although I am the one doing the searching, I am doing it for my friend, Edward Bedoya Plazola. He was born in 1934 in Azusa, California a few months after his father died. Although he was the youngest of 14 children, the family didn't talk that much about his father becuase his mother soon remarried.

From bits of family lore and facts that I have dug up, this is what we know. Domingo Gonzales Plazola was born in 1889 in San Sebastian, Jalisco, Mexico. He was the son of unknown Plazola and Jacinta Gassia? Gonzalez born about 1860. We know that Domingo had a sister, Guadalupe who married a Vasquez, and brother Luis (b 18892). I am sure that there were more siblings. Luis settled in Corcoran, California. It's unknown if Guadalupe lived in the US but many of her children also lived near Corcoran. Jacinta Gonzalez arrived in the US about 1919. She also lived in Corcoran.

Domingo, Ed's father, was involved in the Revolution. About 1916, he felt threatened and decided to go to Arizona. He bagan using the the name, Domingo Gonzalez. He worked in the mines in Ray, Arizona. About 1920 he and his family moved to California.

I would like to find the birth, marriage, and deth records in Jalsico. Ed was told that he father was from San Sebastian near Guadalajara. I found two San Sebastians just south of the city but I can not figure out if both these villages were in existence during the 1880s and where the records might be. There are at leat two other San Sebastians in Jalisco. I have sent for some Family History films for two of the four.

If anyone can direct me to source for learning about the divisons of the Mexican states and record keeping, I would be grateful. As I said, I am new to this site and Mexican research so I am open to any help. If I am asking inappropriate questions, please forgive me.

Thanks,
Candis Carbone

Google Earth VR

Recently in Durham a city not too far from where I live opened a Virtual
Reality Arcade. Awhile back I went in and tried it for the first time and
thought it was cool but I'm not a gamer so most of the stuff didn't appeal
to me, but nevertheless. . .

So now some time went by and I needed to run into Durham and it happened
that the VR Arcade was having a 50% off sale (regular is 20 bucks for 30
minutes but this time it was 10 for 30 minutes and if you book two you get
70 minutes for 20 bucks). What appealed to me was that I was going to go in
and spend my time exploring the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, Lake
Victoria, etc.

So what happened. I went in and found myself spending the whole 70 minutes
cruising around Colotlan, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Las Animas, Huejucar,
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes then South to Tlaltenango and then just
started tripping around. What I found that was different from my previous
experience with regular Google Earth is that GE VR lets you "Fly" through
the area from as close as you can zoom in all the way up in space. So it was
just like I was taking a tour of the land my Ancestors traveled around at
various times in the past. I'd go down to ground level (blurry) but I could
look around 360 degrees and see the mountains and hills that they would see
everyday. I could then fly up to the top of the mountains and look down at
the various Ranchos I was visiting. To say the least I was quite impressed
and enjoyed my 70 minutes traveling through Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes

If you all have a VR Arcade anywhere close to you ask if they have GE VR
installed and consider checking the land of your Ancestors out as if you
were flying in a small airplane (not quite but pretty close).

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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Luevano family in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

I am trying to trace my roots on my grandfather's side of the family
to my ancestors in Spain. My grandfather's name was Jose' Soccoro Luevano. He was born about 1892 in what I believe was Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico. Family stories have it that he was the seventh born child of Tiburcio Luevano and Manuela Martinez. It is also storied that, by tradition, the seventh born child was given to the church.

I have a document that Tiburcio Luevano and Manuela Martinez were married in the Catholic Church, La Santisima Trinidad in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico on May 27, 1874. The document also states that the grooms parents were Pablo Luevano and Manuela Serna. The brides parents were Timoteo Martinez and Fermina Rubalcava.

Jose' Luevano's children have passed information on that Jose' was given to a church near Aguascalientes, Mexico where he was educated by the church and received priesthood training. He left the church just before his priesthood training was complete and immigrated to the United States around the turn of the century, early 1900s.

I have reason to believe, but not verified, that my grandfather, Jose' Luevano was given to the Catholic Church, La Santisima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico, which was probably the Luevano family church.

I have retrieved the contact information of the church, and have tried to contact them by telephone, email, and text, but have received no response.

The contact information I have for the church is Parroquia de la Santisima Trinidad, 5 de Mayo, Centro, 47250 Villa Hidalgo, Jal., Mexico, Phone: +52 495 968 0901.

I would appreciate any hints on how to proceed with my search.

Pat Cardona

Troncoso, Lopes de Lisalde, Delgado and Alvarado

The marriage of Joseph Troncoso and Maria de los Dolores Lopes has a bit of information on the Alvarado, Delgado y Lopes Lisalde Lines and possible parents to some PNC children. I tried to follow the tree but somewhere the name Prieto appeared making the story more complex. Perhaps someone has already come across this information and can help unravel more of this story and people. In particular who are the parents of Regina de Alvarado (1629) married to Nicolas Lopes de Lisaldi?

Informacion Matrimonial 9 Feb 1741 #48
Por presentada (henciasetes?) a estas partes sus declaraciones y la informaciones s su liberta y soltura de matrimonio y este se traigo…pa proveer …..(etc intro)
Joseph Trancoso (Troncoso) Espanol originario y vecino de esta villa, hijo lexitimo de Cayetano Trancoso difunto y de Maria Delgado como mas aya lugar paresco ante Vmd. Y digo que tengo tratado contraer matrimonio con Maria de los Dolores Lopes Espanola asimismo originaria desta Villa y natural vezina de ella. Hija Legitima de Christobal Lopes ya difunto y de Michaela Moreno de Quesada y para que tenga d…(Firma) Joseph Trancoso

Decla. de Joseph Trancoso Espanol de edad de 26
En la villa de Agus.Calientes en nueve días del Mes de Febrero mil sets. quarenta y una….parecio presente a hazer su declarcion Joseph Trancozo esp. Aquerer sele …juramto.que hizo por….y la señal de la Sta. Cruz …prometio decir verdad en lo que supiera y le fuera preguntado y siéndole por el themor del escripto Dixo que es el mismo presento en el contenido que … lo mismo que en el tiene este que es suelto y libre de matrimonio el que de su voluntad quiere contraer con Maria Dolores Lopes Espanola. Con la que no tiene parentesco alguno de consanga.Afinidad ni espiritual que no hadado palabra de casamiento….declaro es la verdad y lo que sabe .. declaro ser de edad de veinte y seis
Ante mi Joseph de Roxas
Declaracion de Maria de los Dolores Lopes Espanola de edad de 23 anos
Same intro…Dixo que es la mismo pretensa en el contenida que es origa. Y vezna. De esta villa traspuesta desde pequeña en el real de los Asientos y de quatro anos ha esta parte vezna. De esta villa. Hija Lexma. De Xptoval Lopez. De Lizalde difunto y de Michaela Moreno de Quesada que es suelta y libre de matrimo. …con Joseph Trancozo Espanol con quien no tiene parentesco alguno de consagd. Afinid. Ni Espiritual….the same ending.
Prim. Testigo: Nicolas de Macias Balades Espanol de 57 anos.
Incont.. mismo mes, ano y dia…Dixo que conoce al que lo presenta pro Origo. Y Vezno deesta villa desde niño y a la pretensa también conoce por origa. De esta villa y desde nina sele puso en el partido de los Asientos en el puesto de la Calabera y que haveza tiempo de quatro anos este parte .. ni sabe que tengan estos algún impto. Declaro…
2nd Testigo: Xavier Martines Espl. Y vezno. De esta feliga. En el picacho 25 anos
States the same as above he doesn’t know just knows them.
3rd Testigo: Christoval Martines Espl vezno. De este partido en el Picacho 27 anos de edad
States the same above.
In continuación ..setas. quarenta y una el Sr. Br. Dn. Bvste. Anastacio Preciado de Lizalde Comisario del Sta. Oficio..(intro of the rest of the people). States the 3 days will continue at church and if any adverse information is found the proceedings will be suspended (this is usual words).
Signed. Br. Vicente Anastacio Preciado de Lisalde
and Joseph de Roxas

En la villa de Aguascalientes de veinte y siete días del mes de Feb (27 Feb 1740 should be 41). De mil setesientos y quarenta (most likely quarenta un), el señor Dn. Manuel Colon de Larreastequi..Dixo que por que a su merced se le denunciado que Joseph Trancoso y Maria de los Dolores Lopes contenidos en la información de ariba se hallan ligados de impedimento de parentesco que les impede el matrimonio que asimismo con el de afinidad por haver tenido la (¿)
Maria Copula con Francisco Prieto hijo de Antonio Prieto y con Francisco Xavier de Esparsa que lo es de Antonio de Esparsa que ambos son tios de Joseph Trancoso y también este con Jasinta, hija de Joseph Macias y parienta de la referida Maria (a determination of the aforementioned obstacles will be made).

En la villa de Aguas calientes en sinco días del mes de Marzo de mil setecientos quarenta y uno, el señor eclesiatico…con el parentesco que Joseph Trancoso tiene con Maria de los Dolores Lopes la pretensa hiso parecer ante si, a Don Juan Peres Calbillo Espanol vezino de esta feligresía de quien siendo presente su merced le vesiuso juramento que hiso enforma de este por Dios nuestro Senor. (usual wording) Dixo que sabe que Nicolas Lopes y Andres Lopes eran Hermanos que de Nicolas procedio Margarita Lopes y de esta Rita Delgado de la que procedio Maria Delgado la que no es lexitma y solo por opinión dicen ser hija de la referida rita y de esta nacio Joseph Trancoso y de este Andres nacio Maria Lopes de esta Christoval Lopes que es padre de Maria dolores pretensa.
Nicolas Lopes Elizalde hermano Andres Lopes Ellizalde
Margarita Lopes 1st cousin Maria Lopes
Rita Delgado 2nd cousin Christoval Lopes
Maria Delgado 3rd cousin Maria de los Dolores Lopes
Joseph Trancoso 4th cousin

Joseph Troncoso Maria de los Dolores Lopes
1720–Deceased • LYLG-7J7 1723–Deceased • LYLL-VGW
IM was taken Feb 9, 1741
Children (1)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-68VQ-LGV

1.
Brother and Sister Regina de Alvarado Pedro de Alvarado
1629–1675 • LCJ5-WMG 1630–Deceased • LYLG-W4B

Brothers Nicolas Lopes de Lisaldi cc Regina Alvarado
Andres Lopes de Lisaldi cc (unknown)

I did not add complete IM only partial informacion. See link above for complete IM

Gerardo Lomelin

Hello Everyone, I need help with my 7th grgrandparents Gerardo Lomelin and Josepha Delgadillo's parents. Gerardo and Josepha were married 24 Nov 1728 in Nochistlan, but there parents are not listed, and there is no informacion matrimonial for that year online. Can someone tell me how to check to see if there is information for that year.

Thank you
Lisa

Luevano and Pichardo from Telesala, Asientos, Asuncion de Maria, Aguascalientes

I am looking of the parents of Matias Nolasco de Luevano (born about 1736) and Maria Encarnacion Pichardo (born about 1738).

Children of Matias Nolasco de Luevano and Maria Encarnacion Pichardo are:

1.) Vicente Felilpe Luevano (born 1758 in Tepesala and died June 26, 1838 in Asuncion de Maria, Aguascalientes) married Maria Josefa Diaz de Leon on June 2, 1806 in Asientos, Aguas

2.) Josef Ancelmo de Luebana (baptized April 30, 1775 in Asientos, Aguas) married Maria Dolores Ortiz on April 24, 1799 in Asientos, Aguas.

3.) Maria Calletana de Jeseus de Luevano (baptized August 19, 1781 in Nuestra Senora de Belen, Aguascaliente)

4.) Maria de Jesus de Luebano (born in San Rafael de Los Aguajes-may be the same as #3 but I haven't found proof one way or the other yet) married Jose Roman Montanes on May 14, 1800 in Asientos, Aguascalientes.

5.) Jose Apolonio de Luevano (born in Therpesalan, Aguascalientes) married Maria Dolores Garcia on August 5, 1797 in Asientos, Aguas.

6.) Trinidad Luevano (Born in Tepesala) married Rafaela Sipriana Araiza on July 23, 1800 in Asientos.

7.) Petra De Luevano

8.) Maria Ignacia de Luevano (born in Tepestlan(Tepoztlan)) married Jose Dolores Villapando on September 3, 1792 in Asientos, Aguas.

9.) Onofre Antonio Trinidad de Luevano (born in Tepesalan, Aguascalientes) married Maria Lorenza de Jesus Garcia on June 1, 1797 in Asientos, Aguas.

Is there possibly a link to the baptisms that haven't had the images put online yet? I will gladly scroll through and look frame by frame.
Any suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.

My husband descends from the Vicente Felipe/Maria Josefa Diaz de Leon line.

Thanks!

Debbie Arellano

Perez(s) and Hernandez of San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas

Hi! I am a new member and I am researching my husband's family tree. Here is my link to what I have uploaded so far.

I am currently working on Francisco Perez(s) and Petra (Petronila) Hernandez (born about 1800). Francisco was born about 1795 and married Petra about 1820. Their first son, Clemente, was born in 1821. Followed by Ysidro, Maria Gregoria, Pedro, Jose Marcelino, Antonio, Sabino, Dario, Epigmenio, and Vicente Nepomeceno. The children were baptized in San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. Some of them ended up in Teocaltiche, Jalisco and others went to Santa Rita, Zacatecas.

I am needing help on tracking down more information on Francisco Perez's parents, who are Diego Peres and Maria. I am also stopped at Petra's parents, Francisco Hernandez and Juana. Has anyone came across these names before?

My husband is from Dario Perez's line. Dario married Maria Teodosia (Teodoria) Castaneda. Delgado and Lopez are the family names that the other siblings married into. I have more information on them if needed.

Here is a link to what I have submitted so far. There isn't any information on the Perez line other than the great parent listed as I am still working on this line. I will upload this line once it is more put together. I have other lines that I will upload to my link as soon as I do more work on them as well.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/debbieare

Thank you in advance for any leads you may have.

Hello, my name is Ed Orozco.

I joined a couple of weeks ago.
My research is primarily in Jalisco but I'm also looking at the
Nayarit/Jalisco border. I have been able to trace my paternal line to 1650.
However, I have about a 50 to 75 year gap that teeters between Jalisco and
Nayarit. I look forward to sharing information and learning more about my
heritage.

Does anyone have info on Puesto/Rancho Maria De La Torre near Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico?

I believe that my direct ancestor Antonio Madera (1660? - 1709) may have originated from "Puesto Maria De La Torre" which today is a rancho on the main road leading away from Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico to Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

Because I had found his grandson Blas Madera's brother "Francisco Madera" who was there. And also a "Luis Madera" who passed away at year 80 at Colotlan in 1731 who was from Puesto De Maria De La Torre. He may be a brother of Antonio Madera.

Antonio Madera appears in the records at Minillas, Mesquitic, Jalisco married to Maria Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735). He also had bought two blocks of land at Tlatenango, Jalisco, Mexico in 1698. His grandson Blas Madera had migrated to Huejuquilla El Alto.

Does anyone have any information on Puesto de Maria De La Torre near Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas? It may be under jurisidiccion of Colotlan. And may help me find out if my direct ancestor Antonio Madera was originally from there and who his ancestors were.

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New to Nuestros Ranchos

Hi Everyone!

My name is Delia Guzman. My maternal grandmother[Isabel Reyes Flores (Beltran)] passed way this past March and since then I have began to seriously research my family ancestry. Her father, Jesus Nunez Flores was born in 6 August 1894 in Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas, Mexico and her mother, Ventura Romero Reyes was born 14 July 1899 in Pilotos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Having just returned to school full-time, funds for memberships to websites is little to nothing, so I am looking for the most information I can from free resources.

I welcome any advice, tips, etc. and look forward to learning some new information.

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Miguel Ramirez Assassination in 1940's

Hello! ¡Hola! I am doing research to help a friend find his ancestors from
Mexico. To start he knows his great-grandfather, Miguel Ramirez, was
assassinated in Ayutla, Queretaro De Arteaga, Mexico, in the 1940's and was
the Chief of Arms at that time in Ayutla. Also he knows he served in a war
in Mexico prior to living in Ayutla, so we hoped there could be information
in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes regarding his service in the
war. We would appreciate any advise or assistance in obtaining information
about Miguel Ramirez.

Thank you!
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Blas Ramirez Cornejo

Hello. I am searching the Cornejo line from Jalisco. More specifically, from the areas of San Juan de Los Lagos, Encarnacion de Diaz but it has now led me to Teocaltiche. Unfortunately, I am stuck on Blas Ramirez Cornejo (late 1600's, early 1700s). Does anyone have any leads as to who his parents were?
Thanks in advance!