Nuestros Ranchos Site

Not being from Los Altos I'm not keeping up on your all's discussions. Happened upon this and was wondering if you have already ordered this film?

joseph

===================

Title Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784
Authors Iglesia Católica. Arzobispado de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Note Location
Film
Descripción y padrones de la Audiencia de Guadalajara 1772-1773, 1784 Cartas y expedientes 1772 Padrón de Totatiche de Taltenango 1773 Padrón de Sr. San Juan 1772-1773, 1784 Padrón de la Razón 1773 Testimonio del plan del curato de Tlajomulco 1772-1773 FHL INTL Film
758093

I just received the mtDNA from the test that my father did.

Both of my maternal lineages have come back as indigenous (A and B) and both of my paternal lineages have come back as European (E3b and R1b)

HVR1 Haplogroup
B

HVR1 differences
from CRS
16092C
16111T
16182C
16183C
16189C
16217C
16483A
16519C

Here is a link to Reuters news article about a recent archealogical find in Mexico City of a 15th century Aztec altar near the Zocalo.

Alicia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061004/wl_nm/mexico_aztecs_dc

http://libraryweb.utep.edu/special/microfilm.cfm

Yolanda,

the link above is for a list of microfilm sets available at the UTEP. Which set in particular are you interested in?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Hi All
Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new info.
Thanks!
John Robles

Corinne,

There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not
paying any attention to her aunt telling the story to my sister, both of
whom are now deceased. Another of my mom's aunts is still living, so we
hope to get the story from her and record it.

Corrine Ardoin

Hola a todos:

En mi folder de archivos podrán encontrar un reporte de los ancestros de mi
bisabuela Zenaida Orozco Moreno. (14 generaciones)

Archivos --- Archivos de Genealogia de Miembros --- Jose Humberto Suarez
Villarreal ------------------------- Ancestros de Zenaida Orozco Moreno /
Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Saludos
Jose Humberto
---------------------------------
Hello everyone:

In my file folder you will find an ancestor report for my great-grandmother
Zenaida Orozco Moreno (14 generations)

Files --- Members´ Genealogy --- Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
----------------------------------------------------Ancestros de Zenaida
Orozco Moreno / Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Best Regards
Jose Humberto

I am still waiting to get my scanner fixed before I can upload a wonderful
wedding photo of my grandmother and her two sisters and other photos, as
well. I am also still trying to find out the connection to my Martin Del
Campo ancestry and the Romero/De la Torre families. Other pictures I have
are of Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, from Madrid, Spain, according to my
mother. Pioquinta was her great-grandmother. I also have pictures of my
mom's grandfather and grandmother Alberto Martin Del Campo and Francisca
Cabral and of Alberto's mother, Rita Robles Rivera who married Ismael Martin
Del Campo and his sister, Lola. We suspect Jewish heritage in there with a
name like Ismael in our family tree.

Corrine Ardoin

Hello all
Ihave uploaded the document about the Hacienda de los Campos to my folder
in the "members genealogies". It is under my name, John Robles, or you can get there via http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15063. The name of the file is 'History - La Hacienda de los Campos' and is a narrative that tells about the pueblo of El Molino and how it was once part of La Hacienda de los Campos. This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
Thanks
John

Reading of breakthroughs, reminds me of finding the name of my grandmother's
twin sister and the correct year of her birth. For as long as I can
remember, my grandmother, Concepción Martínez Tisnado de Monreal, had
debated with my great uncle, Miguel Martínez Tisnado, as to which of them
had been born in 1889.

Wanting to satisfy my curiosity, I consulted the IGI; however, my
grandmother
was not listed. I knew the information should be in the parish archives of
Altar, Sonora and waiting to be found. As`` some of you know, not all
entries from parish archives are found in the IGI and, even then, they may
be
incorrect. When the microfilm arrived, I went to the entries for May 1,
1889,
the date my grandmother said was her birthdate as shown on her birth
certificate from the state of Sonora.

Not finding the entry, something told me to look in the entries for 1888. I
went
to those for for May 1, 1888. Yes, there were the entries for my
grandmother
and her twin sister, Guadalupe. Telling my grandmoher I had found the name
of
her sister, made her very happy. However, having to admit she was a year
older
and her brother was born in 1889 was a disappointment to her.

This find was in 1982 and I am still researching the Tisnado line. To date
the earliest find has been the marriage of Joseph Domingo Tisnado and María
Magdalena Contreras on 28 Aug 1732. Even though my finds to date have
been in Sonora (and the portion of Arizona which was part of Sonora), I feel
closer to my ancestors being I now live in Tucson, AZ: my fourth
great-grandfather, Juan José Tisnado, was garrisoned at the presidio in
Tucson
and his grandfather was garissoned at the prsidio in Tubac.

George
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: General Digest, Vol 8, Issue 17

> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: A Geographical Breakthrough! (Maria Cortez)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:33:10 -0700
> From: "Maria Cortez"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Alicia and John,
>
> I enjoyed reading your messages very much. They brought back those
> feelings
> of elation when I have made a new discovery in my ongoing search for my
> ancestors.
>
> I wanted to share a search engine that I sometimes use:
> http://dogpile.com/
> Dogpile uses several search engines to perform its searches (including
> Google, Yahoo, MSN). I thought of it when I read about how John switched
> to
> a different search engine and found the answer he had been searching for.
>
> Alicia when I read your story about not finding the birth record for your
> father-in-law I remembered having the same problem with my paternal
> grandfather's baptismal record. Everyone I had talked to about where he
> was
> born and baptized (including my father and several of my Tias) assured me
> my
> grandfather had been baptized in Ixtlahuacan del Rio. I found his
> siblings
> baptismal records on the microfilm, but not my grandfather's. I take
> prints
> on direct line ancestors and write down the data on collateral lines and
> go
> through every film slowly, so I knew I hadn't missed it. When I got
> through
> the entire roll of film where he should've been found something clicked in
> my mind and told me to order the film for Guadalajara. Since it's a big
> city, there are several churches there, but my intuition told me to check
> a
> specific parrish. With nothing more than a hunch, I went through the film
> and found his baptismal record there! My father was incredulous when I
> told
> him where I had found it, but seeing the record in print convinced him.
> To
> this day, I don't know what made me so sure I would find my grandfather's
> record on the Guadalajara film, but I was not the least bit surprised when
> I
> found it on that film.
>
> Maria
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Alicia Carrillo
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Message-ID: <20060928051029.52834.qmail@web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and
>> yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in
>> our
>> subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small
>> whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting
>> together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.
>>
>> Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we
>> here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2
>> years
>> of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives
>> would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many
>> tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some
>> were
>> clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was
>> told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would
>> satisfy
>> my curiosity.
>>
>> The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my
>> cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of
>> loss
>> and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my
>> ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something
>> about
>> my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his
>> paternal relations.
>>
>> In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a
>> trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research
>> in
>> earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my
>> father-in-law's
>> brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for
>> a
>> fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great
>> finds.
>> To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my
>> father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been
>> born
>> around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on
>> the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find
>> compells
>> you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.
>>
>> John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that
>> this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy
>> dance
>> as most of us have done.
>>
>> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>> San Jose, Calif
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No
>> one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos,
>> Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched
>> under
>> all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to
>> Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El
>> Molino,
>> municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how
>> his
>> pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said
>> that
>> the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast
>> that
>> was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes
>> (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich
>> rain
>> which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish
>> translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one
>> of
>> the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the
>> hacendados made wheat flour, so
>> the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that
>> while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua
>> de
>> Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family
>> home'
>> so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do
>> when
>> you make an exciting find like this??
>> John

Hi, Everyone:

I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del Campo married
a Romero before she immigrated to the United States. I have an old photo of
the wedding party I plan on uploading (or is the correct word downloading?)
that includes herself with her sister, my grandmother, Magdalena, to her
right, and her other sister, Maria Luisa on her left. Behind each of them,
stands their escorts and I'm wondering if the man behind Rosario is the man
she married. Must be, but I am not sure. If it is, then that is a picture
of the Romero she married. She must have married him pretty young. It had
to have been taken in the very early 1920's. When I get my scanner fixed I
will be able to get that photo online for others to see.

Corrine Ardoin

Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?

Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.

Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

PAULA
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1884 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PABLO LUEVANO Family
Mother: LEOCADIA SAUCEDO

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C646205

John Robles asked where I am located and that he knew a Martin Del Campo.
That made me realize I did not elaborate on my genealogy just where I fit
in. The Martin Del Campo line is my mother's mother's paternal line. My
grandmother's maiden name was Martin Del Campo. She and her husband raised
their family in Los Angeles. I live in Santa Maria, California. So, my
genealogy begins with me, then my mother, then my grandmother, Magdalena
Martin Del Campo, then her father, which is my great-grandfather, Alberto
Martin Del Campo and it goes on up the line from there. My grandmother's
siblings and other Martin Del Campo relatives that came to the United States
scattered across the country, primarily settling in the Los Angeles area and
elsewhere in Southern California and in New Jersey.

I have photos of some of the people listed in my genealogy. I hope to
contribute those, as well. Just got to get the darn scanner fixed!

Corrine Ardoin

THe most I had to present besides the cash was a death certificate of the person I was looking for.
My great uncle's soc sec # was on his death certificate so I knew what social security # to request the
a copy of the original app under the freedom of information act.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------

> Hi,

Speaking of the Robles family, does anyone know anything about a Cap.Diego Robles in CUencame. He is supposedly credited with the finding of Parras,Coahuila in 1598. He was from Cuencame.

I ask because I am desended from the Robles family from Parras, General Cepeda, and Monclova. I am blocked and struggling to make a connection to him.

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from john robles : --------------

> I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they
> were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name
> than Nieves, I think...
> Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man
> says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for
> miles!
> I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be
> eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but
> would love to read every word.
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
> far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
> phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
> was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
> very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
> of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
> for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
> I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
> A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
> they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
> her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
> find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
> more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
> branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
> side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.
>
> Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
> regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
> border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
> Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
> Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
> genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
> from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
> from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
> of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
> even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
> minutes for Mexico.
>
> I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
> very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
> breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.
>
>
>
>

Thank you John, you are so right... Pat

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: john robles
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <20060930024757.97475.qmail@web83009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2 wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I am looking for Antonio Manual Rivas born about 1725 in San Pedro de Gallo, Zacatecas.
I can't find any film for the town at that time period. I have been looking for information on the town to see
when it was first settled . He might have been baptized in a near by town but can't make up my mind
as what other town seems most likely.

Antonio moved to Galeana, Nuevo Leon and married about 1753 to Maria Guadalupe Pinto y Galvez.
The Pinto family was from Charcas, san Luis Potisi.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from eaherold@att.net: --------------

> Alice,
>
> I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates
> back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.
>
> You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good
> begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been
> lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or
> Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and
> the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children
> of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?
>
> Let me know what you think.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Leticia Leon :
> --------------
>
>
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > I

I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded a file in the Member's
Genealogy of my Martin Del Campo ancestry. I tried to, at first, keep it to
what I have proven thus far in documentation, but I hope to be able to add
to it soon. On the IGI, I have found what may be more people to add to my
chart, but I still need to check into that for myself. I hope others find
what I have provided helpful and informative for their own research.

Corrine Ardoin

I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

Thanks, I will dp that when I get home tonight.

-----Original Message-----

From: "Emilie Garcia"
Subj: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Old Personal Phone Books/John'sBreakThroughDance
Date: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:39 am
Size: 3K
To:

John Robles,

You can't send attachments to the list. Arturo will tell you to upload it to the files section.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Old Personal Phone Books/John's BreakThroughDance

I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name than Nieves, I think...
Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for miles!
I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but would love to read every word.
John

Joseph Puentes > wrote:

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

Nicolás de Anda Sánchez' new book is now available at Borderlands Book Store. Enter the # 890 in the search box and it will take you right to it.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/

Teocaltiche is located approximately between Guadalajara and Zacatecas. This is a historical narrative but contains a profusion of genealogical information.The book is divided into five parts: Part one is " Epoca Prehispanica,", Part Two is "Siglo XVI," Part Three is " Siglo XVII, Part Four is "Siglo XVIII," and Part Five is " El Siglo XIX, DE 1800 Al 1823."
Contains names of area ranches and five appendices of genealogical data, such as children confirmed, person who owned slaves, a 17th century census, and baptisms/census of 1708 and 1722. Mexico City, 2006 privately printed 1st Ed., SPTXT, 198 Pgs., 8 71/2 x 11, PB.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Hello Leticia, I'm starting my search with nothing but family names. I was only 12 when I met my great-uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara and have no idea what part of town I was in, and since my mother never kept up any correspondence, I have nothing but family names to go on. Sorry, but these are the brick walls I've been battling for about two months now. Thanks for keeping me in mind; I keep reading all the messages posted and ordering films from the FHC in hopes of finding some kind of lead. Alice B. Blake

--- marionicia@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:44:20 -0500 (CDT)

Hi, ¿where in Guadalajara did Adolfo Oñate was living at that time, do you have an address or at least a street name? Because I have relatives Oñate in Guadalajara, decendants to Marcial Oñate, cousin to my ggfather Francisco Oñate Solis, maybe in that matter is a path to follow.
AliceBB escribió: Hi Esther, Agustina and Luis Onate never left Mexico. Adolfo Onate was here for a while, but returned to Mexico, where I met him in Guadalajara, Jalisco 40 years ago. I'm new to this and have never requested SS records. Don't you need to show some sort of direct/legal connection for that? I know nothing about him or anyone else, except for names. Thanks for the suggestions. Possible Prima, Alice

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:00:27 +0000

Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

> Esther, Sorry, but the only data I have is for Agustina Santelice's parents'
> marriage in Panuco 1882. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Agustina's
> marriage to Luis Onate. That's the problem, Esther. I have no dates or firm
> locations of births, etc. I did find Luis Onate's brother Adolfo's WWI Draft
> registration that states his birth as Sept 27, 1896 in Villa Garcia, Zac. I
> will order Vault Film 1089262 that contains nacimientos of that date. I know
> their father's name: Rosalio Onate, but not my ggrandmother's name at all.
> Hopefully, I'll find Luis and Adolfo's parents and grandparents' names on the
> film. Wish me luck and thanks so much for your interest. I need all the help I
> can get. Alice B. Blake
>
> --- eaherold@att.net wrote:
>
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:58:43 +0000
>
> Alice,
>
> I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates
> back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.
>
> You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good
> begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been
> lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or
> Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and
> the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children
> of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?
>
> Let me know what you think.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Leticia Leon :
> --------------
>
>
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > I���ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am
> > used to do. He���ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this
> > technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits
> > around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure
> I���ll
> > tell.
> >
> >
> > AliceBB escribi���:
> > Hi Leticia, My mother's maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing
> > she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis
> Onate
> > and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother
> was
> > estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40
> > years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took
> us
> > to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another
> > sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was
> > with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her
> father/my
> > ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed.
> Unfortunately,
> > I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I
> wasn't
> > much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo
> informed
> > my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather
> Rosalio
> > and ggrandmother Petra
> > Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the
> > revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with
> > the Onate's. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through
> > FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices' parents:
> > ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in
> > Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande,
> > Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And
> > that's about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the
> > only mention of a Santelices. It's been a brick wall ever since! There are
> lots
> > of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don't know which ones
> to
> > follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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