Nuestros Ranchos Site

I was going through some back issues of Ancestry
Magazine, and came across an article entitled "A
Footnote to Remember", by Jaime Pacheco. His research
is in the Chihuahua area, but the article is
interesting. Then I found that the article was
on-line.
This is the URL:

www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8280

What I found interesting was reading about the process
and methodology for problem solving.
I am always looking for new ways to approach and break
through those "brick (or maybe I shoud say "adobe")
walls", or at least reading about how others have done
so.
It is about 6:30 on a Saturday morning here in
northern Virginia - the sky is clear - and the harvest
moon glows like a golden orb in the sky. I hope all is
well with each of you.

natalie coleman

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How do you get your messages sent in digest mode? I am not too very
computer savvy and havn't been able to find this out on my own.

Thanks!
Corrine

Hi, Everyone:

As I mentioned in my many other messages, I am now adding my quarter's worth
to the discussions. One of the old messages (forgive me if this is already
known and some of you are going, "Well, duh") talks a bit about Spanish
spellings, y for I, etc. I found the following in an Hispanic Genealogy
book (Sorry, it's late and I'm too lazy to find out which book right now):

Interchangeable Letters:
i-y: used interchangeably until less than 100 years ago.
b-v: used interchangeably even today- also "u" for "v".
j,x,g: used interchangeably by 1550, by 1850 "x" not used as Spanish "j"
sound when used before "i" and "e".
c,s,z,ss: used interchangeably in early Spanish, along with "x,". C,s, and z
still used interchangeably, depending on location.
i-e,a-o,a-u,o-u: used interchangeably in early Spanish and in some regions
still today.
ch-ll: used interchangeably depending on region.
b-p,c-g,d-t: as late as 1700, these interchanges can be found, a carry over
from Latin.
l-r: used interchangeably, some regions more than others.
m-n: used interchangeably between vowel and consonant in words, significant
specifically in names.

Latin Influences:
c-q: Latin "qu" becomes Spanish "cu", such as from quando to cuando.
ff-ph: "ph" introduced into Spanish from Latin to express sounds in
Greek-origin words, such as filosofia to philosophia.
Impure "s": from "es" sound at beginning of words in Latin, sometimes "is,"
later dropped, such as espiritu to spiritu.
Insertion of letters: when Latin spelling is followed closely, such as santo
to sancto, bautizar to baptizar.
Letter "h": may be omitted or added or substituted by "g" or "f". "F" is
used in words now having "h", such as fijo to hijo. Persists into 16th and
17th centuries. "H" may be replaced with "g", such as guevo and huevo. You
can pronounce the words outloud, the "h" is silent, so the meaning will
become clear.

Confusing Letters:
f,i,j,s,t: no linguistic distinction between "i" and "j" until after the
15th century, not totally defined for two more centuries. Sound out the
word to see which it makes sense with of these five letters.
a,o,v,c: often confused with one another in early handwriting.
r,x: use of "x" for "r" very common, even up to the 1850's.
s: can be written in various ways, so be careful.
t: often resembles many letters other than a "t".
Double letters: sometimes no linguistic significance, or represented sound
needed, such as "nn" for Spanish "n" (pronounced "enya") and "rr" for
trilled "r". "Gn" also used for Spanish "n" (pronounced "enya) prior to the
17th century. Some double letters are abbreviations.
Linking letters: occurs in older Spanish manuscripts, one word is linked to
the next.
Suppression of "e": In writing, "e" frequently appears and disappears at the
end of words.

Also, because spelling was done phonetically, you can determine where an
ancestor was from in Spain by how they spelled words, some of which are
regionally distinct by Spanish provinces, whether associated with the church
or nobility, etc., because of how they anunciated their words.

I know this is a lot. Perhaps I should have posted it differently? Or, is
this okay?

Corrine Ardoin

I keep trying to send this message. I hope I'm not jamming up things
resending and resending.

Hi, I have been catching up with reading the archival messages, though I
have to be honest I am not reading every single one, but I did find many of
interest I would like to add my own comments to. One told how people say,
"but you don't look Mexican." Well, I have had many people tell me that,
too, and what is hurtful about it, is that they say it as a compliment!
Like, they mean, "Don't worry, Corrine, you don't look at all Mexican, so
you can rest easy." Can you believe it? Well, it's true. I didn't know
that others had this experience, so I am very thankful to them for sharing
about that and about my Mexican ancestors that came to the United States and
became ashamed of being Mexican. I, too, am saying, "This has gone on long
enough in this family. Now's the time to come out of hiding and be proud of
our heritage."

Corrine Ardoin

Hi,

I'm tracing the line of Leonor Cortez Moctezuma, the daughter that was never recognized by his mother Isabel Moctezuma. I have found some records about she was married with Juan de Tolosa, but in others mention that she was married first with Cristóbal de Valderrama, infact the line that goes to Petronila de Moctezuma comes from this one.

Juan de Altamirano (his descendants become the counts of Santiago Calimaya) took care of Leonor Cortez.

I'd like to know if this Leonor Cortez married with Cristóbal de Valderrama is the same that later married with Tolosa. You can check this link:

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/62b3788a4ebcaebb

Please don't forget that there was a Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel).

Does anyone has records about this subject? I mean, records that could prove that the investigation is 100% accurate?

Thank you
Alfonso

Does anyone know what the population was during varying census throughout
the centuries?

Helyn,

Have you seen either of these IGI records:

PEDRO JOSEPH CORREAS
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA DE LUNA
Marriage: 10 FEB 1779 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M600818 1736-1807 0445047

JOSE DIONICIO CORREA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: MA. MARIA LUIZA CORREA
Marriage: 01 JUL 1815 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M600819 1807-1848 0445048

I wanted to know if the parents were listed on either one.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

>
Thank you Rose. I tried that, using Babelfish to translate for me,
but the site would not accept my address or phone number. I will
give it another try tomorrow. Maybe I did something else wrong and
I'll be more successful tomorrow.

Linda

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rose Hardy
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Registering with Archivos Espanoles En Red
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>
> uid=432&tid=2&e2397c9803ea1907e64ef72b5561cabb@www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Linda,
>
> I received the registration instructions from Ed Elizondo who is
> charge of the Cuba Genweb. Some years ago, there was a posting on
> the net through Genweb (I thought it was Cuba) that had the
> instructions. Ed has posted the new instructions at his site and
> here it is:
>
> Registering
> The Spanish Ministry of Culture requires the user to register
> before using the AER. Yo do this by clicking on the link titled
> "ALTA DE USUARIO". You will then be presented with a screen which
> we cannot reproduce here due to copyright restrictions.
>
> Note that fields marked with an * must be filled in.
>
> Starting at the upper left and reading line by line left to right,
> the meaning of the various fields are the following:
>
> Identification Data (outer box with dark brown label)
>
> Personal Data (inner box with light brown label)
>
> Type of user (radio buttons) *
> Personal
> Institutional
> Name *
> Surname 1 *
> Surname 2 (mandatory only for Spanish citizens)
> Nationality (drop down list) *
> Spain (default)
> Estados Unidos de America (USA)
> (others not reproduced here)
> e-mail
> Profession (drop down list) *
> Unknown (default)
> Type of identification document (drop down list) *
> National Identity Document (default)
> passport
> Residence card
> others
> Identification document *
> Residence Data (inner box with light brown label)
> Domicile *
> Town *
> Province *
> Postal code *
> Contact telephone
> Country (drop down list) *
> Spain (default)
> Subject of research (outer box with dark brown label)
>
> Main characteristics (inner box with light brown label)
>
> Subject (drop down list) *
> All subjects
> Title *
> Other characteristics (inner box with light brown label)
>
> Epoch (drop down list) *
> High Middle Ages
> XIII century
> XIV century
> XV century
> XVI century
> XVII century
> XVIII century
> XIX century
> XX century
> XXI century
> unknown
> All epochs (default)
> Country (drop down list) *
> All countries (default)
> Motive (drop down list) *
> All motives (default)
>
> User / Password (outer box with dark brown label)
>
> User *
> Password *
> Confirm password *
> Memory aid for password
> Bottom action buttons:
>
> Save
> Clear
> Exit
> Footnotes:
>
> The data collected by this web site will be used for the purpose,
> in the form and with the limits and rights in accordance with
> Organic Law 15/1999, for the Protection of Personal Data.
>
> The fields marked with "*" are mandatory.
>
> The second surname is mandatory only for users of Spanish nationality.
>
> Rose Gonzales-Hardy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>

For anyone who is having a difficult time researching in and around Archivos Espanoles en Red. This is how I navigate around the site. I've been using the site for about 3 to 5 years now.

http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp

Signing on was difficult for me since I don’t read Spanish very well. I use Google and/or Babelfish for translating spanish.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Once you get your logon, and your on the site, click on "Busquedas".
From the next page go to the upper right hand corner-"Otros Criterios de Busqueda", scroll down to "Contenido" and enter a surname. You can click on "Anadir Contenido" as many times as you need to in order to narrow down a search. I usually do two of them and enter a surname and first name, or a surname and a location. (remember to use different variations of spelling for surnames and even the location name)
You'll have to click on "Otros Criterios de Busqueda" again if you do two or more Contenido's. Because the expanded version disappears. Hit the Buscar button, the site won't let you hit enter on your keyboard.....in fact it'll give you an error. (I still get errors because I'm going too fast). If you get an error, just click on the back button on your Internet Exployer/ Netscape navigator.

I tried Archivos y Fondos and found it wasn't as easy as what I'm used to doing.

As an example: "Lope" on one line and "Ruiz" on the other line. Volla! Lope Ruiz de Esparza's passenger information appears on the first page.

When the results appear and there is a green and red camera icon- those are the digital documents. I click on the red camera and the digital window appears which downloads the document. I usually multi-task and while I have the window up downloading the documents, I work on another search....The thing to remember is that if you click on another camera you override the previous digital information.....sometimes I get carried away and forget that I needed the previous digital information and have to go back to the results page again.

I have saved several digital documents on my computer and they will save as JPEGS.

I hope this informaton helps those new genealogist out there

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

I'm afraid I don't remember who had Mauricio Tovar in her line but he was mentioned and now I have a connection but not to my family.. My question is he's living in District of Jerez but was he and his wife Maria Petra Escobedo originally from Tlatenango? I've found children in the IGI and wondered if it was the same family in Jerez so I can enter them in my records
thanks, Linda in B.C.

AliceBB wrote:

>Good Morning, Yes, thank you so much for your efforts. That indeed is my greatgrandfather and that is exactly where my trail for Francisco Santelices or Rosalio Onate using online sources has ended. I'm waitng on micorfilm
>
well you are so so fortunate that this is your great grandfather and
great grandmother (I assume unless this is another marriage). This gives
you the location and hopefully the marriage record will tell you where
he and she originally were from. Hopefully the record will give the
names of their parents. Hopefully the continued to live in Panuco and
some of their children were born and raised in Panuco. That film you are
waiting for is the key to a great start of your genealogy search. Now
that you have the basis to make your start you need to gear up to dig in
and search that film. Make sure you make copies of that record and write
down the film number, volume number (on the film) and page and record
number if they are available. Everything you find on your family you
need to carefully write down your sources so someone else looking at the
record can easily duplicate your research. . .which is what people 5
generations from now will be doing and be very thankful to you for
making that part of the research easy for them.

Also if you want to get daring and make the assumption that your great
grandparent started their family in Panuco why don't you try ordering
this film to see if you might not find some of their children on it:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1658-1936

Authors
Iglesia Católica. San Juan Bautista (Pánuco, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.
Algunos tomos incluyen índice.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Some records are gathered into books that reflect social class.
Some volumes include indexes.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Pánuco - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1974-1987

Physical
44 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1892-1899 - FHL INTL Film [ 1093330 ]

> My family must have been extremely small and isolated. Again, thank you. I will continue my efforts and hope to hear from someone who has run across ANY of my MIA's--Missing Individual Ancestors!
>
Esther asked some good questions. You should start your genealogy by
listing everything (give all the details) everything you know. siblings,
parents, aunts, uncles, their children, grandparents, their sibliings,
all the info you know about all these people. all the documents
everything. get it all together and try to get as much of the story
together that is readily available.

joseph

> Sincerely, Alice B. Blake
>
>
>

When searching the FamilySearch.org and the IGI. Try a exact name search with both parents surnames only.

1. Enter both surnames in the last name field.... i.e. Gonzales Calvillo
2. Enter Country....i.e Mexico
3. Check the box (Use exact spelling)

This will give you everyone in Mexico with the parents Gonzales and Calvillo. Try different corruptions of the surnames. Calbillo, Gonsales, Gonzalez, Goncales, Goncalez. It can be time consuming....but it's better than not finding anything when in fact your families are really there...or until the LDS church can load all the extractions in.

It's true sometimes L looks like S's on documents. Don't be afraid to try it.....i.e Moya, Moia, Molla

Also, If you know the region, try a batch search....this is very fun. In fact I just taught a lady two weeks ago who was stuck on her family, and with this trick she ended up finding nearly the the siblings and where the parents were married.

1. enter last name only
2. enter region
3 enter state

This will give you everyone in that state, scroll thru until you find someone within your town and time period. It doesn't matter if there not yours. Select that person. Go to the area where the batch number is located. Click on the batch number. Enter any name you like in any field. I.E. fathers first name only.....best to use mothers last name in the mothers last name field. If entering mothers last name only all women will appear and sometimes you will find miss spelled names on the father...that's how I helped my new friend.

There is no need to enter complete names, sometimes less is better.

Have Fun....

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

I have just uploaded a small portion of my genealogy, These are the Gonzales and Calvillo families.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14965

The Gonzales' are in the area of Tapias and Ojocaliente, Aguas from about 1728 to 1887. As of yet I have not made the connection to the Gonzales de Hermosillo family. But I do have a direct line to that family as well.

The Calvillo families are from Texas, Asientos, Maguey, Huerta de Gil, Huerta del Rio, El Sauz, Tepesalilla, Aguascalientes with records from Calvillo and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes also included is Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas. As far as I know they are not related.

Thanks
Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:14:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

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Hi . .

I hope everyone gathered some special memories of summer 2006 and are
preparing for fall 2006 with lots of activities surrounding Hispanic
Heritage Month. It appears much is going on nationally. Thank you all
for sharing activities, articles, and event information with Somos
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Below is the table of contents for September.

Warm regards, Mimi

UNITED STATES
National issues
Rosa Rosales, New LULAC National Director attends California Meeting
Unquiet Minority: Hispanic Under-Representation in Federal Government
Employment Accountability of Numerous Federal Agencies Needed
Race Categories to Change on 2010 Census Form
Renters no more, More undocumented immigrants are able to buy homes
Mexican Government Creates Special Program to Help Undocumented
Workers Buy Homes Back Home
Cities make quiet plea for tolerance
Aliens rely on DNA to keep family together
Minority population surging in Texas
U.S. Census--Ethnic Transformation in the 50 States
Illegals From Terror-Sponsoring Nations At Large in US
Civil Rights Icon Albert A. Pena Jr. Dies at 89
Where is the 2006 version of Dr. Hector?
Martyred Priests, Their Journey to Orange County, California
Action Item
Resources and ideas for Hispanic Heritage Month
Guy Gabaldon lithograph free (postage required)
Education
Hispanic Scholarship Fund
Placentia woman schooled her children well
A Doctor from Mexicali
Listen to John Phillips Santos
Few Hispanic Teachers to fulfill need
Omaha school district to split along racial line- black, white, Hispanic
Hispanic centers lose key funding
Orange County First "Early-College" high school opens
Pittsburg Proposal, ILConcepts
Culture
Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research Celebrate 20th
Family Health History Tool in Spanish
Tortilla Art
Business
Bésame Cosmetics Inc.

ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS
Former Colorado Governor, Dick Lamm, Criticized For Racial Comments
Immigration - and the Curse of the Black Legend

MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HEROES
Silvestre S. Herrera Medal of Honor Recipient
Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, seeks DNA
National United States Marine Corps Museum Opening Schedule
Send a thank you card to soldiers currently serving in Iraq
"The Tejano Battle of Medina" August 18, 1813
Fallen Heroes of Operation Iraqi Freedom
Honor Them by Remembering . . Freedom is their Gift to Us
WWII Draft Registration Cards
Resources for Descendants of Mexican War Veterans

CUENTOS
My First Celebration of Labor Day, Circa 1949 by Frank Sifuentes
The Bean contest en la Escuela Zavala by Frank Sifuentes
Cuentos de Kiko
Learning from our Past by Michael Lozano, Part 5

SURNAME Oramas

SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Soldados from the Royal Presidio of Santa Barbara
Members of Los Pobladores participated in the Santa Barbara parade
History Lessons Learned in Searching for Spanish Soldiers and Sailors
Need a DAR look-up article
Chile Patriots During the American Revolution

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
Sept 15-Oct 15 Sept : SHHAR to mount Orange County Register Hispanic
Heritage Month Display
Sept 27th: Reception
Libreria Martinez Story Going Nationwide
Sept 2: Leo Limón Poster signing at Libreria Martinez Lakewood
Sept 14: OC 3nd Annual Biggest Hispanic Professionals Mixer
Sept 19: National Latina Business Women, OC Chapter Heritage Event
Sept 30: Orange County Children's Book Festival
Emigdio Vasquez and 124 Years of Progress
Satisfaction with mission accomplished, Grijalva Park Expands
Costa Mesa mom helps parents keep kids from gangs
It takes a Village
Oct 6: Save the Date: The Spice of Life! Boy Scouts

LOS ANGELES, CA
Sept 4: City of Los Angeles 225 Birthday Celebration, Join the Walk
Los Pobaldores Walk to Los Angeles
225 Years, 1781-2006 Celebrating the Founding of Los Angeles
Sept 6-10: National Latino Congreso
Sept 10th: Centinella Adobe Fiesta
Sept 11-12: Highways Free Performance Workshop, click for information
Sept 29: Alta California:
Peoples in Motion, Identities in Formation, 1769-1850
Parish history of Rancho San Pedro, now know as the South Bay
The School of Arts and Enterprise Seeks Artistic Contributions
Gene Autry's Legacy and an Indian Museum Merge (and Collide)
Oct 7: Los Cerritos Neighborhood Festival
Oct 21: Save the Date. . . Monterey Park Family History Conference

CALIFORNIA
San Diego River Dam, 1813
Once there was a River by Victor Walsh
Call for photos: History of Mexicans/Chicanos in San Diego
Sept: 21-24th Conference of California Historical Societies
Futbol Club Barcelona to Visit
Some Early Southern California Burials online, Long Beach
Sirbiente Translates to Mayordomo
San Mateo County databases online
Huntington Early California Population Project
Historia de la Ciudad de Tijuana
Spanish emigration to Hawaii and to California in the early 1900s
A documentary Showing
Stolen Cross Found
A Mexican Genealogy Group Met In Brentwood
Oct 13-14 Reyes Adobe Celebration, Aguora Hills

NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
14 de oct: Novena Conferencia Anual de Historia Familiar Hispana
13 de oct: Investigación avanzadas Genealógica, España y Latino
América
The Roots of Human Family Tree Shallow
Oct 7th: Clark County Nevada Genealogical Society Seminar
KODAK Document Imaging and the Genealogical Society of Utah
Center receives funding for Basque Genealogy Center

SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
The Municipal Origins of la Villa de San Felipe el Real de Chihuahua,
1718-1725 by Jaime Pacheco and LeRoy Anthony Reaza
Hispanic poet, Trinidad Sanchez, Jr. who took on social issues, dies at 63
Jalapeño Blues (Why Am I So Brown?)
Research trip to El Paso yields many Treasures
Oct 14: TX Rangers & Mexican Revolution: Bloodiest Decade, 1910-1920
Oct 14: Living History Rendezvous
Report on the Heritage Discovery Center
Hispanic Heritage Project New Book Arrivals
Vaquero Heritage Foundation
Genealogy information, Tucson and Tubac Presidios

BLACK
Native Sons of Liberty
Obituary: Louise Bennett 1919-2007
Is It Cultural Cleansing, Post-Katrina Tragedies, or Both?

INDIGENOUS
Sept 11-12: Highways, Free Performance Workshop
Indigenous Mexico Statistics: The 2005 Conteo
Comparison of Mexico's Indigenous-speaking populations
Five Civilized Tribes

SEPHARDIC
Back to Babylon
Sept 10: Symposium: Hidden Jewish Heritage: Exploring a Path to Return
Jo Roybal Izay
Appendix, A-C: Remnants of Crypto-Jews Among Hispanic Americans

TEXAS
September as designated Tejano Heritage Month
Oct 14: Tejano Leadership in the history of Texas, Symposium
Quintanilla relatives seek justice for their ancestors
Book: Genealogical Survey of Early Families of Villa del Carmen en Medina
Census, Corpus Christi Library
Dr. Jean Stuntz' Speech for the Los Béxareños
Early residents in San Antonio
Spanish land grants and the recovery of oil and gas royalties
Contact website for filing land claims
Sept 9: Stand Up Rally for Better Schools
Laredo Martin High School & OLD High School yearbooks " La Pitahaya"
Ancestors of Guillermo David Guerra Treviño
The Descendants of Don Pedro Mariano de Ocon y Trillo
Alex Loya, Chapter 12: American Roots of the Spaniard Texians
Click for "The Tejano Battle of Medina" August 18, 1813

EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI
East Baton Rouge Genealogical Records
Spanish Louisiana
Book: Tlalcoyote, Historical Fiction by Ernesto Uribe
When in Chicagoland...visit Paseo Boricua
Book: "Latinos in Milwaukee" Latino Historical Society of Wisconsin
Save the date: Dec 16: Finding Your Hispanic Roots, Newberry Library

EAST COAST
César Chávez Statue in Rhode Island
Amigos de O'Malley
Sept 20-23: Hispanic Chamber of Commerce 27th National Convention

MEXICO
Was Venustiano Carranza Iranian?
S: Don Elías Amador Garay, Escritor Zacatecano
S: Don Francisco Goitia García, el gran pintor Zacatecano
El antiQuario Magazine
S: Comité Mexicano De Ciencias Históricas
S: Libro: Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado, XVII - XVIII
S: Elizondo Reunion
Religion in Mexico
Jalisco
S: Libros Genealogicos en el Instituto Mora
The Descendents of Don Juan Barbarigo Masaga
The Descendents of General Jose Santiago Vidaurri Valdez

CARIBBEAN/CUBA
Don't forget the four million American citizens living in Puerto Rico,
Calidoscopio Cubano

SPAIN
S: Aroche, Huelva
St. Ignatius of Loyola (1491-1556)
Gocamino, barefoot pilgrims
S: El Museo y Parque Arqueológico Cueva Pintada

INTERNATIONAL
S: Juan Bermudez
S: Publicaciones Genealógicas en Nicaragua

HISTORY
Nuestra Famila Unida seeks Latin American History researchers
Who was the first president of the United States
The Henry Patrick & the San Antonio Urrutia Family connection
Mexican American Records at the Allen County Library

FAMILY HISTORY
New Software available at Family History Centers
Fan Story
National Poetry Month: Jean Gonzales
Preservation Hints
Self-help for FamilySearch Computer Products
Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Podcasts
Preservation Tip of the Month

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> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be seen
> by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not listed online
> in family search?

ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.

The vault refers to a huge storage area in SLC hewn out of a granite
mountain where the temperature is constant and the elements are kept at bay
in order to preserve the films. This is where all the master copies of the
genealogy films owned by the LDS church are stored.

When a film is requested by a patron, a copy is made and sent to the main
library in SLC where it remins -- or the local Family History Center if that
is who made the request, and after three renewals the film will remain in
the local center on indefinite loan as well. I suspect the three renewals
pay for the cost of duplicating the film.

In some cases no one has ever asked to use a film so a copy has never been
made to be viewed and the only copy is the master copy in the vault. Hence
it takes a few days to receive a film from the vault, and if you only have a
few days at the library, it can really impact your visit when the films
aren't available.

If you look at the familysearch website, it will tell you whether the films
are in the vault, which means no copies are available in the library.
However, as Josie mentioned, you can request that a copy be sent to the
library before making the trip.

Hope this helps.

~Deena~

Gracias por la informacion, Sr. John Inclan:

Ya tengo estos datos y posteriores, yo donde estoy atorado es en el
matrimonio de Pedro Navarro Gaytan y Maria de Velasco.

El Genealogista Pedro Franco Lopez me dijo que Maria de Velasco,
tambien se firmaba Maria Salcedo y Valdivia o Maria Hernandez Gamiño o Maria
Gómez de
Espejo, que era de los Hernandez Gamiño, que usaban todos esos apellidos,
pero
como se que esto es cierto, necesito saber lo de los HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO,
no he localizado tampoco la fé de bautizmo de mi ancestro Luis
Navarro
Gaytan Velasco, hijo de los anteriores, que se caso con Catalina Beatriz de
la Torre de la Cueva (tampoco de ella tengo su bautismo), se casaron el
02-Mzo-1734 en Tepatitlán, y tampoco se si Luis Navarro Gaytan tenia mas
hermanos.

Me puede usted ayudar con esto de los Navarro Gaytan y de los
Hewrnández
Gamiño.

Mil Gracias, Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

2006/8/29, John Inclan :
>
> IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index
> v5.0 Mexico Search Results
> | Download | Pedigree
> ------------------------------
> CLEMENTE DE LA TORRE LEDESMA Male
> ------------------------------
> Event(s): Birth: Christening: 22 MAY 1703 Tepatitlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico Death: Burial:
> ------------------------------
> Parents: Father: CLEMENTE DE LA TORRE LEDESMA
> Family
> Mother: CATALINA FRANCO DE LA CUEVA
>
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> address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the
> batch and sheet number.
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> Source Information: Batch Number: 8683207
> Sheet: 31 Source Call No.: 1396258
> Type: Film
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Hola Juan Pablo:

Saludos desde Guadalajara, soy Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gomez
investigo mi genealogia, aqui en Jalisco.
Podrias ayudarme, mandandome la descendencia de ese Domingo
Hernandez Gamiño.
Principalmente porque durante mucho tiempo estube atorado en mi
ascendencia por lo Navarro Gaytan, a que consultando los films parroquiales
de Tepatitlan, me frenaba en el matrimonio de mis Septimos Abuelos
Pedro Navarro Gaytan Orozco con Maria de Velasco, ya que a continuacion
te pongo la transcripcion de su Fe de Matrimonio:

Tepa.M8516.07 = Matrimonio de Pedro Nabarro Gaitan con Maria
Salcedo y Baldibia el 11-Jun-1714.
Esta Fe se encuentra en el Vol# 1 de Matrimonios
a Fojas# 67 Fte. y dice asi:
Fue vista el Lun-02-Ago-2000.

En Tepa, el 11-Jun-1714, a Pedro Nabarro Gaitan Vesino de la
felig.ade Ocotlán del obpado. de
Michoacan, Y a Maria Salcedo, Y Baldibia española de esta
felig.ahabiendo antes presedido las
declaraciones..............la celebracion del matrimonio que fue el
dia tres de dho. mes a que
fueron testigos en la labor de Santa Maria de esta dha.
felig.aJoseph hernandes, Nicolas de -
Ochoa, Andres Nabarro. Y otros muchos, Y a la dha. velasion Juan de
dios de baldibia, Pedro de
baldibia. y Diego de Asebes españoles vesinos de esta
felig.aPadrinos Juan de Mercado y
D.a -
Maria de Alba su esposa.

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Estos Datos me fueron generosamente proporcionados por el Lic. Pedro
Franco López en Septiembre del 2001.

Segun me lo explico el Lic. Pedro Franco López, esta Maria de Velasco,
se firmaba o se le llamaba indistintamente
como Maria de Velasco, o Maria Salcedo y Valdivia, o Maria Hernandez
Gamiño, o Maria Gomez de Espejo, que en
verdad proviene de los Hernandez Gamiño, pero siempre usaban
indistintamente los demas apellidos, como se
puede apreciar en ese tiempo, no ponian mas datos en el registro del
matrimonio, como el nombre de los padres
el estado civil de los novios o sus edades, por lo que es muy dificil
seguir la pista con estos datos, solo se puede
aclarar la verdadera filiacion de estos con documentos de otra indole
como lo son, las dispensas matrimoniales o
los protocolos notariales o de propiedad de tierras.

Me explico que este Pedro Navarro Gaitan, mi acendente directo,
se caso 3 veces, la 1a. Vez, con la ya mencionada
Maria de Velasco mi acendente directa, la 2da. Vez con Petronila
Gutierrez, y la Tecera con Maria Ornelas Aceves.

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Y aqui te pongo la transcripcion de la Fe de Matrimonio de mis sextos
abuelos
Luis Navarro Gaytan y Catharina Beatriz de la Torre, alli dice que Luis
Navarro
Gaytan es hijo de Pedro Navarro y Maria de Velasco, nunca podia encontrar el
matrimonio asi, Pedro Navarro con Maria de Velasco, hasta que el Historiador
y
Genealogista Lic. Pedro Franco Lopez me explico lo que esta arriba, pero
nada
mas, asi es que si es cierto, Maria de Velasco, tambien se firmaba y era
conocida como Maria Salcedo, o Maria Hernandez Gamiño o Maria Gomez
de ESpejo, pero solo tengo la palabra del Lic. Pedro Franco, como puedo
encontrar documentos que me hagan ver que esto es cierto.

Tepa.M8516.01 = Matrimonio de Luis Nabarro Gaitan con Catharina
Beatris de la Torre el 02-Mar-1734.
Esta Fe se encuentra en el Vol# 01 de Bautismos a
Fojas# 180 Vta. y dice asi:
Fue vista el 22-May-2000.

Al Margen dice: =-Luis Nabarro- -Gaitan y D.a Cath.as Beatris de- -la
Torre Esp.s de- -esta felig.a En-
-el tempesque de S.n ?Geolzoes?- -Y Ocote de- -Mirandilla-= Dentro
dice: = En el Pu.o de S.n Fran.co de
thecpatit.n En dos dias de el mes de marso de mil Set.s y treinta y
cuatro a.s Vele in facie Eccl.e A
Luis Nabarro Gaitan Esp.l de Esta felig.a en el Tempisque de
S.n?Gorge? hijo
leg.o de Pedro Nabarro
Gaitan y de D.a Maria de Belasco dif.a y a D.a Cath.a Beatris de la
Torre ?afimejzmo? Esp.a de estha
felig.a en el Ocote de Mirandilla hija leg.a de Clem.te de la Torre y
de D.a Cath.a de la Cueba dif.s
haviendoles presedido Sus Relat.s Ynform.on de Libertad y solteria
parentesco de tercero con cuarto
Grado d.e consanguinidad y causas q.e Para la dispensa que se
consigui de El Illt.mo S.r D.n Nicolas
Carlos de Cerbantes ?Rigero? N. Obpo de este Obpdo y las
amonestaciones inter missarum Solemnia en tres
dias festibos de que no resulto Ympedimen.to Canonigo distinto al
dispensado en Cuia Virtud Les case
p.r Palabras de pr.te en el puesto de el Palo blanco dectho
Mirandilla, el dia V.te y quatro del mes
pasado prox.mo de sete.s treinta y quatro an.s q.e fueron testigos
Caietaño Gomes Nicolas Munos Esp.s
y otros m.s de las misma Gerarquia psentes Padr.s Pedro Nabarro
y D.aMaria de Ornelas Su esposa a
q.ns ?asi mismo lo fueron adtsa Vela.os Y testigos el hermaño Lucas
Rom.ro Y Sus? Miguel de Mercado
Esp.s Y para q.e Conste lo firme ?de jha Us.o Sue?=
Una Firma: =Juan de Portug.l Losaño=

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Gracias de Antemano por tu ayuda:

Tomas Alejandrpo Villegas Gomez

2006/8/29, JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ :
>
> Me suena mucho que este Domingo puede ser Domingo Hernandez Gamiño,
> esposo de Juana Gomez de Espejo, originario de Trujillo en Extremadura, y
> cabeza de toda la familia Hernandez (Hernandez Gamiño) de la zona.
>
> Saludos
>
> Juan Pablo
>
>
> On 8/28/06, John Inclan wrote:
> >
> > No tengo datos de ellos.
> >
> > *deloza * wrote:
> >
> >
> > Saludos John Inclan
> > Me atrevo a preguntarte si tienes algun dato de Fancisco Velazquez,
> > nacido en 1623 casado con Catalina Hernandez 1629 hija de Domingo
> > Hernandez. el matrimonio fue en 1645. no tengo bien los datos, pero fue
> > en la Nueva Galicia. probablemente en Jalisco.
> > Si tuvieras algo de información te lo agradeceria mucho.
> > Jose de Loza
> >
> >
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Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

If anyone needs to order VAULT FILM for doing research at Salt Lake City FHC
the following phone number is the one to call and order your film:

801-240-2334.

I spoke with Sister Hayden at that number this morning and verified that
this is the correct number to call when ordering VAULT FILM to be viewed
there. She said to be certain and specify that you are part of a group of
genealogists who will be there doing research. Usually they limit their
requests to only 5 film at a time but she said they will order any amount
for us. (If you encounter any problems, please let me know because I have
another phone number that will assist us.) This is the phone number for the
International dept. (inside the little window where you pick up film) in the
basement where the Mexico and other international film are located.

Please be thinking about which film you want to order and order these well
in advance........like today! :-)

Details of the Hispanic Conference and information on seminars, lodging,
etc. have been sent in other messages. If anyone needs more info, please
feel free to e-mail me and I will be happy to assist you.

Hope to see a lot of you there!

Josie in San Antonio

Hello Arturo,

I have tried to contact (via email) comcast, but their response is
that they think there is an on-going spam issue ...

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Sincerely,
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I have not received any email from Nuestros Rachos since the date of
your post below, and so I expect I will not receive any reply.

This really ticks me off. I got comcast partly because a previous
provider would not allow me to _send_ any email because they thought
mine was a spam address. The problem was my hard-wired verizon card ip
address was within a range some one else was using for spam, and there
was nothing I could do about it. They refused to do anything either
because they hired their spam blocking from another service and _they_
didn't want to help. The only other solution was to get another ip
address, which Nuestros Ranchos may be able to do quite easily since
it's probably software controllable. I hope this gets resolved because
I'm not getting any mail from Nuestros Ranchos.

I will call Comcast monday and try to voice my complaint to a live
person. But I'm not expecting much help. The same spam blocking
service is used by MANY providers in an attempt to control spam.

Thursday, August 24, 2006, 11:46:08 AM, you wrote:

> Fellow Ranchos members who are Comcast customers...

> We have just received notification that email being sent out by the
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Hola Enrique, Juan Pablo y Jorge Luis:

Mi genealogia por el lato materno esta hubicada
en la rivera de Chapala, precisamente en Ocotlan,
La Barca, Jamay, y se extendio hacia Tototlan y
Atotonilco, los apellidos que busco son:
Gómez, Flores, Villarruel, Orozco, Jimenez, Ruiz de
Velasco, Vaca, Castellanos, etc.

Estoy un poco atorado aqui, porque varios registros
de mis ancestros debian estar en los archivos parroquia-
les de Tototlan, Jal. pero este es uno de los archivos
mas destruido en la Guerra Cristera, agradeceria mucho
su ayuda.

Para Informacion Sobre el Gran Historiador
Jaliciense Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi, lo que
enconte en Internet:

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http://www.ochocolumnas1.net/2003/septiembre/26/NUEVAS_SECCIONES/cuerpo…

Ignacio Dávila Garibi,
el gran bibliógrafo de Jalisco

«Apuntes para la historia de la Iglesia en Guadalajara», obra que fue su
coronamiento como investigador e historiador

Marisela Tachiquín | OC Los libros son una extensión de la imaginación, del
sentir y del saber del hombre, han sido y son los encargados de guardar la
memoria y acontecimientos de la humanidad, de ahí lo loable de la labor de
quienes se han dedicado a investigar y plasmar sus ideas a través de la
escritura, que ni los medios modernos logran desplazar.
Ignacio Dávila Garibi es uno de estos personajes que hicieron de la
escritura su forma de vida, a la que ingresó a muy pronta edad y que nunca
abandonó pero sí combinó con la docencia y su familia.

El incansable escritor. En el marco de las sesiones mensuales que organizan
el Instituto Cultural Ignacio Dávila Garibi y la Cámara de Comercio de
Guadalajara, el presbítero José Rosario Ramírez Mercado dictó la conferencia
titulada «José Ignacio Dávila Garibi. bibliófilo y bibliógrafo de Xalisco».
Señaló el padre Chayo, como todos en el medio cultural lo conocen, que
«desde que descifró los veintiocho signos con que se forjan los sonidos que
hacen las palabras, sin duda como todos los de entonces, sus manos de niño y
sus ojos incontaminados fueron a dar con el «cajoncito» de las cinco vocales
y luego con las tablas de las vocales ya en compañía de las consonantes»,
tal y como lo mostraba el silabario de San Miguel. Allí fue la puerta de
ingreso en el vicio de leer, compañero inseparable en largo y fecundo
recorrido por miles y miles de líneas impresas y no impresas. El dintel en
el otro vicio, el de escribir, llegó el 12 de diciembre de 1903».

Un elogio paterno el causante. Entre las anécdotas que mencionó el padre
Chayo destaca una, quizá la más importante, pues ella fue el detonante para
la gran carrera que inició Ignacio Dávila Garibi. Cuentan que el padre de
este ilustre personaje de Jalisco leyó un escrito y le dijo: «Debes
dedicarte a escribir para el público; sigue mi consejo, no te arrepentirás.
Esto, claro está, sin perjuicio de la carrera profesional que elijas».
Y así sucedió, pues ese elogio paterno fue el corcel que emprendió una
desatada carrera, pero aclaró el conferencista que para nada desordenada.
Guadalajara, su inspiración. Al recorrer la obra escrita por don Ignacio
Dávila Garibi aparece una constante, una clave de sus pensamientos, su
biografía intelectual, «lo que él eligió para la inspiración de su obra
escrita fue, primeramente, Guadalajara, a pesar de vivir alejado de ella más
de medio siglo, luego el occidente y finalmente su México».

Su vida familiar. Don Ignacio nació en la casa señalada con el número 487 de
la calle Juan Manuel; hijo de don Ignacio Dávila Cabrera y doña Elena Garibi
Santa María; el sacramento del bautismo lo recibió en la parroquia de El
Rosario. A la edad de 28 años, y ya con el título de abogado, contrajo
matrimonio con María González Chávez, con quien tuvo cinco hijos: María
Soledad, religiosa salesiana; María Guadalupe, misionera del Espíritu Santo;
Luz Cristina, quien se casó con José Luis Noriega Vargas; Ignacio Luis,
quien se casó con Susana Camacho Guzmán y Elena Victoria, esposa de Carlos
Anaya Chávez.

Una muestra del rescate que realizó. Señaló el padre Chayo que entre el
cuantioso bagaje que rescató él se ufanó siempre de dos hallazgos: la bula
de erección del obispado de Compostela en Nueva Galicia, que era
completamente desconocida, de tal forma que se enmendó el error en que los
historiadores incurrían al señalar el 21 de julio de 1548 como fecha de
erección del obispado en vez del 13 del mismo mes del año 1548; el segundo
hallazgo fue el primer plano del antiguo obispado compostelano del que no se
tenían noticias.
Hay mucho más que decir sobre el trabajo de investigación y bibliográfico
que realizó don Ignacio Dávila Garibi, de la actividad cultural que realizó,
pero buena parte de su legado se encuentra en el instituto cultural que
lleva su nombre y que junto con la Cámara de Comercio de Guadalajara le
rindieron este significativo homenaje.

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http://www.academia.org.mx/Academicos/AcaSemblanza/Davila.htm

IGNACIO DÁVILA GARIBI

ACADÉMICOS

Nació en Guadalajara, Jal., el 22 de junio de 1888; falleció en México, D.F.,
el 11 de enero de 1981.
Ingresó en la Academia el 27 de noviembre de 1954 como numerario; silla que
ocupó: XXXIII (1º).
Cargos: Bibliotecario (8º ): 1959-1962; Secretario (10º ): 1962-1981.

Nació en Guadalajara, Jalisco, el 22 de junio de 1888 y murió en la ciudad
de México, el 11 de enero de 1981. En su ciudad natal se recibió de abogado
(1915) y, a la vez que ejercía su profesión, fue profesor en la Escuela
Libre de Jurisprudencia del estado, en los Seminarios Conciliares Mayor y
Menor y en otras instituciones. Entre 1920 y 1921, comisionado por el
Arzobispo de Guadalajara, visitó el Archivo General de Indias, de Sevilla, y
varias bibliotecas españolas, italianas, francesas y de los Estados Unidos,
en la búsqueda y recopilación de datos para la historia de la Iglesia en
Nueva Galicia. En 1929 se radicó definitivamente en la ciudad de México,
donde impartió náhuatl, etimologías y español, en las Facultades de
Filosofía y Letras, de Ciencias y en la Escuela Nacional Preparatoria, de la
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México; en la Universidad Iberoamericana y
en la Escuela Nacional de Antropología e Historia, entre otras. Trabajó en
el Instituto de Investigaciones Lingüísticas, donde presidió la Academia
Mexicana de la Lengua Náhuatl en dos ocasiones (1934-1935, 1941-1943) y, en
1943, fundó la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica. Fue también
colaborador y miembro del Consejo Directivo de la Enciclopedia de México. En
1947, la UNAM lo nombró maestro Ex-Officio en Historia y recibió los
doctorados "Honoris Causa" en Sociología por la Universidad Androsófica de
San Marino (1950) y por la Academia Studiorum Minerva, de Bari, Italia
(1952). Fue Caballero y Comendador de algunas Órdenes Ecuestres y
Hospitalarias y perteneció a numerosas asociaciones culturales y
científicas, de México y del extranjero, entre las que destacan la Sociedad
Mexicana de Geografía y Estadística; la Academia De Genealogía y Heráldica
"Mota Padilla", de la que fue presidente vitalicio; la Academia de Ciencias
"Antonio Alzate"; la Academia Mexicana de la Historia (1938) y la Academia
Mexicana de la Lengua (1954), de la que fue bibliotecario (1959-1962) y
secretario perpetuo desde 1962. Colaboró en el Boletín de la Junta Auxiliar
Jalisciense, de la Sociedad Mexicana de Geografía y Estadística (1919-1934);
en Colección de Documentos Históricos Inéditos o muy Raros Referentes al
Arzobispado de Guadalajara (1921-1927); en Juventud (1910-1914) y en La
Época, de Guadalajara; en Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y
Heráldica (1945-1965); en Christus; en Estudios de Cultura Náhuatl
(1959-1967); en Investigaciones Lingüísticas (1935-1937) y en Memorias de la
Academia Mexicana de la Lengua (desde 1956), entre otras muchas de la ciudad
de México.
José Ignacio Paulino Dávila Garibi, además de ser un prolífico
bibliógrafo (Bibliografía de un octogenario registra mil ciento nueve de sus
obras, entre libros, folletos, artículos, leyendas y poemas sueltos), fue
narrador, poeta y dramaturgo. Como narrador, recreó leyendas y tradiciones
de la época prehispánica y primeros años de la conquista; como poeta, sus
composiciones fueron escritas para celebraciones familiares, por los que
sólo circularon en ediciones privadas; y como dramaturgo escribió, en
colaboración con Higinio Vázquez Santa Ana, tres obras infantiles de
intención didáctica. Su obra también comprende biografías, discursos,
elogios fúnebres, trabajos de genealogía, sociología, arqueología,
etnografía, epigrafía, filatelia, etcétera, pero sobresalen sus
investigaciones en torno a la historia de la Iglesia en Jalisco y a la
toponimia, el folklore y las lenguas indígenas como el náhuatl, el coca y el
ópata.

Diccionario de escritores mexicanos, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de
México, Instituto de Investigaciones Filológicas, México, 1988.

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http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/nuestroedo/muro/davilagaribi.html

JOSÉ IGNACIO DÁVILA GARIBI.
(1888-
Historia

Thank you for the information Rose. Do you have any idea who Juan de
Escobedo's parents were? I am trying to figure out if he is the same Juan de
Escobedo who married a certain Melchora Cabrera. I am descended from the
latter Juan de Escobedo who is either a son or the same person as the Juan de
Escobedo who married Teresa Ulloa Ruiz de Esparza.

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From: Rose Hardy
Date: 2006/08/26 Sat PM 03:34:31 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] TERESA DE ULLOA y JN. DE ESCOBEDO

Arturo

I do believe her father is Nicolas Ulloa. I also noticed in Nicolas de Anda
Sanchez's book that he listed a confirmation of a Teresa Ulloa who's parents
were Juan de Ulloa and Maria Ruiz de Esparza. The date of the confirmation
was 6 Jan 1654 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.

The book I'm working on is my direct line that goes back to the early days of
Aguascalientes in a dictionary type format. More like a who's who. My
families are the Ruiz de Esparza, Romo de Vivars, Tiscareno's, Munos de
Hermosillo's to name a few.

Rose

Thank you so much for that information. I think that is definitely the
correct Teresa Ruiz de Esparza... the records in Tlaltenango are simply
missing the Ulloa but the dates and names otherwise match. So you think that
she is the daughter of Maria Ruiz de Esparza and Nicolas Ulloa?

What is the book that you are working on?

Does anybody have the referenced Teocaltiche film so that they can look up
the parents of these two spouses for me?

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From: Rose Hardy
Date: 2006/08/25 Fri AM 12:02:37 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arturo,According to the

Arturo,

According to the IGI-

JN. DE ESCOBEDO
Marriages:
Spouse: TERESA DE ULLOA Family
Marriage: 06 JAN 1669 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M602486 1637 - 1669 0639754

In Nicolas de Anda Sanchez's new book he has listed Teresa as Teresa Ulloa
Ruiz Esparza married Capt. Juan de Escobedo on 6 June 1669 in Teocaltiche.

In my book I'm working on, I have:

Ruiz de Esparza, Maria
The daughter of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabay. She married Nicolas
de Ulloa. Her parents were known residents of Aguascalientes from 1622 to
1652. She is mentioned in the requested marriage dispensation of her
granddaughter, Elvira de Ulloa to Joseph de Torres on 1 January 1689 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Hi "Dreamers"

I would like to make a couple of suggestions for your dream trip. I will not be making the trip since I was there last year.

Flying to Guadalajara and making it your starting point for the trip is an excellent idea. From Guadalajara there are several
ways you can go:

1.-Guadalajara, Yahualica (there is a good sea food restaurant right as you turn off the main road to go into Yahualica, their
specialty is "Pescado Sarandeado" ) Mexticacán, Nochistlán, Teocaltiche , Villa Hidalgo ( Villa Hidalgo is a big textile manufacturing
center. There is a huge shopping center in the middle of town where people from all over the country come to buy clothing for their
shopes or boutiques wholesale and retail. Good bargains can be found here). The town also has an excellent Chinese food restaurant
in case you get tired of Mexican food. Villa Hidalgo is almost half way between Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes. From Aguascalientes you'll probably want to continue north to Rincón de Romos and on to Zacatecas about 80 miles from Aguas. Zacatecas has an airport with daily scheduled
flights north in case you choose to return that way, but then, that would only be half the trip!

The return trip from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and then on to San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalostotitlán ( here you can go to Santa Ana
and visit Santo Toribio, you don't want to miss this! ) Tepatitlán, (famous for it's "Carnitas") and Guadalajara. Instead of going directly into Guadalajara, the trip should take you Chapala and Ajijic. A beautiful, lush, green, place on the shore of Lake Chapala. Here, you are only about 30 miles south of Guadalajara.
2.- The other Option would be to fly into Zacatecas and start your trip from North to South or
3.- Fly to Aguascalientes and split your days. Two or three days to go north to Zacatecas and then the rest to go to Guadalajara and return to Aguascalientes, make it your "Home base" .

These are only suggestions...The members of the group making the trip should decide where, when and which way they want to go.
Planning is the key to any succesful and enjoyable trip. I am sure all of you will enjoy it and will have a lifetime of memories from it.

I know most of you have already thought about this, but I'll remind you anyway: A U.S. Passport or Green Card will be required. A digital camera is a must, and maybe a small voice recorder for interviews, and last but not least: Imodium A-D.

John González
Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@verizon.net

>
> Hola Alfonso,

Yo tengo unos Villalobos de San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco que tal vez esten
emparentados con los tuyos. Mi 5to tatarabuelo José Segundo Villalobos
casado con María Ynes Medina fueron padres de: mi 4ta tatarabuela Agapita
Villalobos y de Joseff Julián Villalobos. Joseff Julián fue bautizado en
San Juan de los Lagos el 30 de Enero de 1780. Agapita Villalobos se caso
con José María Eusebio Sánchez. No tengo mas datos de esta familia.

Saludos,

Maria Elena Cortez

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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alfonsogonzalezg
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos en Jalisco
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> Hola Gina,
>
> Es necesario como menciona Alicia Avelar saber de d?nde eran originarios
> tus ancestros. Mis ancestros Villalobos aparecen en Encarnaci?n de D?az
> Jalisco y el ancestro que tengo en el siglo XVIII que es Andr?s de
> Villalobos casado con Mar?a Guadalupe Soto Mayor y Rivera, aparece que el
> fue bautizado en la Mesa, pero la Hacienda de la Mesa de los Villalobos
> estaba en Lagos de Moreno, en las mismas tierras donde se encuentra el cerro
> llamado de la Mesa Redonda, que a su vez esas tierras hab?an sido mercedadas
> al capit?n Pedro de Anda a finales del siglo XVI. Por este dato los
> Villalobos deben de haber tenido su origen en Lagos de Moreno y una rama
> emigr? a Encarnaci?n de D?az, Jalisco.
>
> Tal vez haya alguna relaci?n con Ruy de Villalobos, pero no he llegado m?s
> all? hasta el momento.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Alfonso Gonz?lez
>
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