Colonial Spanish Terms

Searching the Internet for translations of some pretty archane words I have run across in older Spanish colonial documents, I came across a great resource... Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms and Document Related Phrases Compiled and edited by Ophelia Marquez and Lillian Ramos Navarro Wold and published by SHAAR. It is posted on their website at:

http://www.somosprimos.com/spanishterms/spanishterms.htm

But just in case the page comes down... I have uploaded it to the Files - Reference Materials Section:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16242

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Juan de Araiza y Medina y María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara

Hola a todos:

El tema que hoy abordaré, es acerca de los progenitores de Juan de Araiza y Medina y María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara. No tengo el dato del lugar de su matrimonio, y la fecha debió haber sido por la década de 1660's, lo que sí sé. es que eran vecinos de Tecolotlán, debido a que ahí están bautizados algunos de sus hijos. También sé, que Don Juan de Araiza y Medina, era originario de la Villa de Aguascalientes, y esto muy cierto debido a que yo sé que los "Araiza y Medina" son originarios de ahí.

Sí alguien tiene información que pueda ayudarme les agradecería mucho.

Salvador Agraz

Hello everyone:

The matter I'll raise today is about the parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina and María del Castillo Ladrón de Guevara. I don't have the information about the place of the marriage, I think the date of the celebration should have taken place by the decade of 1660's, what I know is that they were living in Tecolotlán because some of their children were baptized there. Also I know that Don Juan de Ariza y Medina was from the Aguascalientes village and this is very true because I know the "Araiza y Medina", were from there.

If anyone has information that could help me, I'll thank you a lot.

Salvador Agraz

termino AMP en Fe de Bautismo

Hola a todos, investigando en los microfilms de familisearch de Jalisco, encuentro en las de de Bautismo muy constantemnente el termino AMP. ¿que significado tiene?, espesificamente lo encontre en fes de bautismo del año 1830 en lagos de moreno Jalisco,.

De antemano gracias por la ayuda que siempre me prestan.

ATTE
Mario Gonzalez

Where are images for Nochistlan Marriages 1628-1633?

Hi all!
Does anyone know where I can find images for the records in Nochistlan, marriages between 1628 and 1633? They seem to be out of order at Familysearch.

As an example, I am looking for the following (among others):
1) Rodrigo de Carabajal y Ulloa & Juana Lomelin, m. 12 Sep 1628
2) Bernardino (González) de Isla & Mariana (Moscoso y) Sandoval, m. 21 Apr 1631
3) Juan de Carabajal & Jacinta (Yáñez) de Oliva, m. 25 Jun 1633

Please advise if you know.

Gracias!

Registros de Jalisco ahora en linea

Ya estan disponibles las imagenes de varias colecciones de registros de Family Search en la direccion:

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Already are available the images of several collections of records Family Search

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1791 Criminal records for Yahualica, Jal.?

I have located what I think is the burial record for my 5ggmo, Catarina
Perez, on 17 Jul. 1791. It states "no se administro pax su muerte tan
violenta", which suggests to me that she may have been murdered so there may
be a trial associated with her death. Can anyone guide me towards the
location of criminal records for this location and period? Thanks so much.

Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes y Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega

Hola a todos:

En la informacion matrimonial de Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes con Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega se menciona lo siguiente:

Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega hija del Capitan Luis Moreno de Ortega y de Theresa de Alcala y Mendoza

El Capitan Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes hijo de Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla y de Maria de Valdes y Ayllon.

Mi duda aqui es de donde viene Maria de Valdes y Ayllon. En referencias he encontrado solamente a Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla casado con Maria de Orozco y Valdes. Será la misma persona la Valdes y Ayllon que la Orozco y Valdes? Si fuera cierto, de quien es hija ella? Alguien sabe si Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla es el mencionado hijo de Francisco de Reynoso y de Mariana de Padilla Davila y Medina?

Gracias de antemano
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
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Hello:

In the marriage information for Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes with Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega the following is mentioned:

Nicolasa Maria Moreno de Ortega daughter of Captain Luis Moreno de Ortega and of Theresa de Alcala y Mendoza

Captain Joseph de Reynoso y Valdes son of Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla and of Maria de Valdes y Ayllon.

My question here would be: who is Maria de Valdes y Ayllon. In past references and post I've found only a Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla married to Maria de Orozco y Valdes. Do you think she is the same as Maria Valdes y Ayllon. Who would be the parents of the Orozco and Valdes spouse or Valdes y Ayllon?

Someone knows if Joseph de Reynoso y Padilla is the son of Francisco de Reynoso and Mariana de Padilla Davila y Medina?

Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal

Barrios in Tecolotlan, Jalisco

Hello everyone I am stuck find information on my wife’s side of the family. Barrios is my wife’s last name. Nothing more would please my father-in-law to know what day and where his father was born (he barely knew his father). My father-in-law thinks he was born in 1915. I have checked the newly uploaded Jalisco Church Records for Tecolotlan for 1915 and a few years before and after and I cannot find his name. I have been able to find his grandfather and great grandfather but no this immediate father. So my initial conclusion that he wasn’t really from Tecolotlan was false. Here is the information I have been able to gather.

2. Vicente Barrios was born on 27 Oct 1942 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco.
He was the son of 4. Benito Barrios and 5. Elisa Lopez. He married Guadalupe Camarena.

4. Benito Barrios was born in 1915 in Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico.
He was the son of 8. Esteban Barrios and 9. Dolores Cueva. He married Elisa Lopez on 28 Nov 1941 in Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico.

5. Elisa Lopez was born Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico, married 28 Nov 1941 in Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. She was the daughter of 10. Cleofas Lopez and 11. Rosa de Dios Ornelas.

8. Esteban Barrios was born on 08 Aug 1886 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco. He was the son of 16. Felipe Barrios and 17. Maria Nava. He died in Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Dolores Cueva in Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico.

9. Dolores Cueva was born Tecolotlan, Jalisco, died Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico, married Tecolotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. She was the daughter of 18. Benito Cueva and 19. Juana Deluera.

Online Research Classes

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Subject: [mexicanfhr]
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 05:19:10 -0000
From: mexicanfhr
Reply-To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com
To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com

I recently asked the group, if any of you would be interested in taking
research classes over the Internet. And I haven't seen any interest.

So, I am asking again, if any of the group are interested in taking any
classes. Because, I am in the process of developing the material. And if
there is the interest, they should be starting up in June.

So I hope, that there are some of you who will be interested in
participating.

Also, if you know of anyone, that is not a member of the group, and
could benefit from the classes, please pass the word along.

thanks,
Jonathan

Gloria Fuentes

My apologies to the group. I have removed Gloria Fuentes' email list
privileges.

joseph

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http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla: New images posted at Family Search

New records for the states of Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla were posted at Family Search today.

Coverage varies for these states (not all towns are included), and not all records for each posted town are included.

Michoacan is included with Guanajuato.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

THE TRUE OUTCOME OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION - FULL VERSION

SORRY TO ALL OUR FRIENDS OF NUESTROS RANCHOS. I JUST DISCOVER THAT MY
PREVIOUS MESSAGE BY SOME TECHNICAL REASON WAS CUTED AFTER THE FIRST
PARAGRAPH, SO HERE IT GOES AGAIN THE FULL TEXT:

1. The true outcome of the Mexican Revolution (Salvador Quirarte)
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The Mexican revolution started is 1910 as the first social movement in the
world of the 20th. century, even before the Russian revolution happened.
The original factors triggering the social explosion of this country was a
reaction to a social and political model established by the Spaniards 400
years before.

Let us remember Mexico was not a single country when the Spanish conquers
arrived. The most advanced group at that time was the Aztec kingdom, but
there were many other different groups and tribes across our lands.

The centralized monarchic model of the Spanish government was imported and
imposed for 300 years by their soldiers to all those tribes, after they have
been defeated or invaded. The Virreinato of the New Spain was divided
in several regional divisions. One of them was Nueva Galicia.

Central Mexico was the richest and more civilized geographical area, so the
conquerors settled in the former Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan (Mexico City)
and expanded their control in all directions to reach all kind of human and
material resources, such as slaves, gold, silver, good land for agriculture,
etc.

The borders were defined all the way down to the limits with South America,
where the other large Spanish Virreinato was established based on the former
Inca´s territory. To the North the borders were defined by the capacity of
the Spanish army to maintain secure Spanish colonial populations under the
attacks of the Indian tribes of North America, that were not so culturally
advanced as the tribes in the south.

Without formal roads and the only way to travel was using mules and horses,
which may take weeks and months. Maintain control and governance over remote
regions was a really hard task. Imagine what means to keep control and rule
over Arizona or California from Mexico City or Madrid.

In the 17th. century the new generations of Spanish descendants already born
in America started to claim their rights to the lands, people and richness
of the Nueva España, that continue to be exported to the Kingdom in Spain.
Most of the economic, social and political decision powers still remained
back there..

It took 300 years to allow that movement to really evolve and empower the
people in America to succeed fighting the war of Independence.

At that point , after the Independence war ended, the government model was
still centralized, that is the same than before. Dozens of internal fights
and local wars between different groups, leaders and former local
tribes happened until Porfirio Diaz took control as President and
established two important values:

- Unification - Either peaceful or enforced with weapons and blood

- Progress - Implementing wide modernization and investment works,
funded by a financial system based in the fortune of a very small number of
rich families, fully aligned with the President Diaz.

Porfirio Diaz remained in power for 30 years consolidating many good and bad
things:

For the first time Mexico was a true country.

There were peace and progress and Mexico moved in to start having industries,
communications as railroads, telegraph &, postal services, education and
universities, roads, corporate businesses, cultural development, art, music
and an identity as one single nation.

On the other side, the price paid by the Mexican people after all those 30
years was very high. No freedom, no democracy, high corruption and no social
evolution and justice.

Those were the critical drivers that triggered the explosion happened in
1910.

A small thinking and educated middle class and the outstanding leaders of
the oppressed and poor people in the lands initiated diverse movements in
different cities and regions, some more civilized as Madero and Carranza and
others with guns and blood as Zapata and Villa, fight hard and offered their
own lives with hundreds of thousands of their followers to change things
around.

After many tries to settle a consolidated government, a new generation took
over and Avila Camacho became president.

He and the three presidents that followed him were the key builders of the
Mexican nation in the 20th. century.

Avila Camacho established a democratic system based in the participation of
all citizens. How he do it?

He invented the PRI, a unique political party that host all political and
social groups and ideologies, assuring their loyalty to the system by
allowing them, and only them to participate and share the benefits of manage
the politics and the public budgets. He was a general, leading the new armed
forces that won over all other groups during the revolution.

Avila Camacho was followed by Lazaro Cardenas, who was also a general of the
army.

He was a socialist, influenced in some way by the innovating ideas of the
ideologists that created the communist movements in Europe. Cardenas
continued and improved the political and social developing and management
system of the government based in one single party (PRI).

But perhaps the three top contributions he had were the following:

lista

ok estoy tratando de formar mi genealogia"Padilla", mi nombre es Pablo Padilla Munoz, naci en Aguascalientes, Ags en 1953,mi padre Pablo Padilla Correa(1908) en San miguel el Alto , Jalisco; mi madre Dolores Munoz Gutierres (1912), en Las Pilas, Zacatecas; mis abuelos Adolfo Padilla Ramirez(aprox 1863) en san miguel el alto, Manuela Correa Flores( (1871-1932murio en leon); mibisabuelo Manuel PadillaGonsalez (no se si en san miguel aproximadamente en 1820, mi abuela Barbara Ramirez Enrriques aprox. en 1823,mi abuelo tuvo como 16 hijos: como Ludgerio, Sofia, Herlinda, Manuel, Marta, Rosaura Aurora, Trinidad,algunos vivian en Leon guanajuato en el censo de 1930 en la calle b. Dominguez#37, cualquier informacion que pueda anadir se agradecera.

Nochistlan siglo XVII Archivos Parroquiales

We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and more."

It sounds similar to the book "Nochistlan Zacatecas - Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas" that Alicia has. If someone has surnames they would like looked up, we'll give it a try. (Sorry, there's no Corbera, I already checked.)

Gloria Delgado

Surnames; Perez, Torres, Ayala in Oocotlan, Jalisco

Hello everyone:

My name is Sandra Perez Diaz and I am new to the group. My interest is in search for my father's family in Ocotlan Jalisco
area.

I haven't had too much luck as of yet in finding information. What I have found is only Baptism records on Familysearch.com

Information found on my father is from Mexico D.F.; Jose Umberto Perez Torres baptized 08Dec 1930, listing his parents names.
His father; Jose Trinidad Perez / His Mother: Gudelia Torres. There is a file number and digital folder number.
Can anyone tell me how would you use those numbers and could they shed any additional information?

I have no information on my grandmother Gudelia Torres other than her name. My father was raised by his father and
his grandparents, he was the only child and I have no other information on her. There was no marriage,
and I've looked at the Mexico Census listing and have found nothing on her.

I found my grandfather's baptism info from Ocotlan; Jose Trinidad Perez was baptised 12 June 1900.
Listing his parents Julian Perez and mother Daria Ayala. I have not found any other information on him.
There is film number and digital folder number listed. Again i ask, what can I do with that information and
would it be useful in any way?

I have been unsuccessful after several hours glued to the computer in finding any information on my great grandparents.
I've search for baptism records and marriage records.

As far a for my great grandfather Julian Perez I know that he was from Ocotlan and or maybe Tototlan. Born either
1874 or 1875. His mother's last name may have been Lomeli, don't know her first name.

My great grandmother Daria Ayala was from Ocotlan. Born either in 1878 or 1879. Her mother's last name would have
Martinez.

Even though I'm getting a little frustrated with the "brick wall" I seem to be facing, I will, of course continue
with my search. Any suggestions are welcomed (please), thank you.

Sandra

My genealogy;
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19508

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara & Family Search

Luz Montejano's "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" gives references to the films where she extracted the data in her book. At least some (perhaps all?) of these references are to the LSD Family History Library microfilm numbers.

At least some of the films are now posted with the Guadalajara, Jalisco records. I've looked up a few, and they are in the Guadalajara, Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios group of films.

If you have the microfilm reference from Luz Montejano's book, you can look up the microfilm at the Family Search catalog website (search by film number). This will give you the years covered on the film; from this you can pick the film with this date range.

To make sure you are looking at the right film, the film number that is on the first or second image of the film must be the same as the reference from Sagrada Mitra.

On any given film, the entries are not in chronological order, and they are not indexed. You will need to do a systematic search to find the records of interest. Note that some of the films are long (I looked at one with more than 1200 images!).

For example: I found the record (dated 10 June 1697, Lagos) for the marriage of Nicolas Macias Valades, morisco, hijo natural of Nicolas Macias Valades, Espanol, and Josepha Rincon, mulata libre. Nicolas (the son) was getting married to Antonia de la Fuente de Araujo, Espanola (padres no conosidos). The film is "Matrimonios, 1689-1796" and the record begins at image 60.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

The true outcome of the Mexican Revolution

The MEXICAN revolution started is 1910 as the first social movement in the
world in the 20th. century, even before the Russian revolution.
The original factors triggering the explosion of this country wide explosion
was a reaction to a social and political mdel established by the Spanish
conquers 400 years before, .