Nuestros Ranchos Site

Has anyone ever heard of a group called "Amigos de la historia de Altos
de Jalisco"

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Wonderful time at the conference! Good information shared and great to meet others as interested in genealogy as I am.

Thank you,

Maria

a non member of the group sent this message in and I would like to send
him any comments the group might offer:

Joseph,
I'm noticing that as I dig into the 1800s that names like perez, cruz,
gonzalez are appearing as peres, crus, gonzales.
I'm actually per the Mexican 1930s Census a Peres, not a Perez. Have
you encountered this? Any light to shed? Is there a sephardic or
portuguese connection?
Thanks!
Joel

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joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Juan Antonio Marquez son of Miguel Marquez y Matiana de Gamboa

if you happen to have this Marquez line from the approximate 1732 time
period in Sauz de Los Marquez here is the IM:

https://www.familysearch.org

* Mexico, Catholic Church Records
* Zacatecas
* Villanueva
* San Judas Tadeo
* Información matrimonial 1731-1734,1740-1741
* Image of 454 of 546

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Dear NGGS:
Wishing you a wonderful conference. I hope all attendees will enjoy it. Wish I was there.
I look forward to reading reports from the attendees and organizers.

Natalie C. Coleman

PS - I consider Cucamonga my stomping grounds, as I lived there with an aunt, when I was in H.S. (Chaffey) and Jr. College, in a house my grandfather had purchased in the 1930's. My grandfather and father had at one time worked for the Italian Vineyard Co, in Guasti, CA. The Ontario International Airport now sits on the land that once were grape vineyards.

Hello Everyone, I have just recently started researching my ancestry. So happy to find this site so specific to the area I'm researching. I have been trying to move passed my gr gr grandfather Tomas Valdes, b. 1835 in "Jerez, y vecino de los Cuervos" according to his marriage documents. Also, according to the marriage documents he was "hijo ligitimo de Jose Maria Valdes y Estefana Muro". However, on his first child's baptism record his father is listed as Teodoro Valdes and Maria Varela. Later baptism records for his children show Jose Maria as his father again. I have not been able to find any birth or baptism records on Tomas Valdes to confirm who his father was. Have looked in Family Search's records but no success. I would appreciate any help in this search!

Thanks

>
> Hi Mickey,

It will be nice to see you again at the Conference. Thanks for sharing
Maestra Duron's info with me. I'll have my charts with me too.

Maria

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:27:26 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MMG8938@aol.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio families/was Diego Ruiz
> Message-ID: <5b9f9.6a3724aa.3aea2a8d@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Maria
> When I visited Martha Duron in Aguascalientes she gave me a copy of some
> info on Cuquio, Jalisco. It is small - I will take it with me to Calif
> perhaps you will have time to look at it.
> Mickey
>
>
>

Hello Claudia and Raquel,

I've been reading your posts and checking all the names against my database
since I am also researching the same surnames for families in Cuquio.
Unfortunately, I haven't connected any individuals, but I'll bet we will
connect these families if we go back one or more generations back.

I have an 8th great-grandfather named Juan Perez Ynfante married to
Magdalena Lopez on 3 May 1682 in Cuquio, Jalisco. I found the following
five children of this couple:

1. Thomasa (my 7th great-grandmother)
2. Juana, baptized on 25 Jun 1686 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas
3. Melchor
4. Sebastiana
5. Maria Lugarda, baptized on 13 Jun 1713 in Cuquio, Jalisco

My 7th great-grandmother Thomasa Perez Ynfante married Marcos Mancilla on
16 Feb 1713 in Cuquio, Jalisco. I have found the following children of this
couple:

1. Maria Gertrudis, baptized 29 Jul 1714 in Cuquio, Jalisco
2. Juan Manuel, baptized on 5 Jul 1721 in Cuquio, Jalisco
3. Jacinta, baptized 24 Sep 1727 in Cuquio, Jalisco

Let me know if any of these individuals connect with yours. I will be at
the Conference in Rancho Cucamonga this weekend. Let's chat then.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Ruiz / Cayetano Ruiz
> Message-ID:
> &nid=19460&pid=20615&cid=20617&uid=2336&tid=
> 1&9530c4a59e02b1788fde2644fbecc5ea@www.nuestrosranchos.org>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi Raquel,
> Here is what I have (only tracking my lines' siblings)...
>
> Diego (I) Ruiz & Ana Gonzalez had the following children:
> 1) Blas, bap. in Cuquio on 06 Feb 1676
> 2) Cayetano, b. abt. 1689 (no bap. rec found)
> 3) Diego Ruiz (II), bap. in Cuquio on 30 Sep 1691
>
> -BLAS Ruiz married Catarina Lisarde in Cuquio on 23 Jan 1718
>
> -CAYETANO (I) Ruiz married twice - i) Juana Rubalcava in Cuquio on 4 Feb
> 1712, and ii) Ana Lugarda Mercado in Nochistlan on 15 Feb 1733, their
> padrinos were Salvador Gutierres & Catarina de Vargas, su muger
>
> -DIEGO (II) Ruiz was baptized in Cuquio on 30 Sep 1691
>
> -------------------------------------------
> CAYETANO (I) Ruiz & Juana Rubalcava had:
> 1) Diego (III), bap. in Cuquio on 13 Nov 1712
> 2) Pedro, bap. in Cuquio on 18 Jun 1716
> 3) Eusebia, bap. in Cuquio on 22 Jul 1719
> 4) Jordian, bap. in Cuquio on 04 Jun 1722
> 5) Cayetano (II), bap in Cuquio on 05 Aug 1725 - m. Estefana de Loza in
> Cuquio on 04 Feb 1712
> 6) Julio Antonio, bap. in Cuquio on 02 May 1731
>
> CAYETANO (I) Ruiz & Ana Lugarda Mercado had:
> 7) Ana Jose, married Francisco Yanez in Cuquio on 25 Feb 1754
> 8) Juan Jose Polonio, bap. in Cuquio on 23 Feb 1749, m. Maria Sandoval in
> Yahualica on 09 May 1791
> 9) Nemecia, bap. in Cuquio on 14 Nov 1751, m. Pedro Lisarde in Cuquio on 31
> Jan 1770
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> NOTES ON YOUR PADRINOS LIST:
> A) What is the date of the LUGARDA MERCADO as madrina? Could be same who
> was Cayetano (I)'s 2nd wife
>
> B) Cayetano de Rubalcava could be an aka for Cayetano Ruiz (II), who was
> the son of Cayetano (I) and Juana Robalcava ...if the dates match, see #5
> above
>
> C) I am certain that Cayetano Ruiz & Anna Mercado padrinos are Cayetano (I)
> and his second wife ...if the dates match
>
> D) RE: Perez: All of my Perez who originate in Cuquio are Perez-Infante, so
> may want to look under Infante
>
> A common thread I found is that my Ruiz's often married with Lisarde
> (Elizalde), Plasencia, Sandoval and Mercado.
>
>
>

Hello all, is there anyone out there that would know where I can gind Mexican army records?? I am trying to research my great great grandfather and he was a Mexican soldier. Thanks, Lorenzo.

Castellano luego Ingles
Spanish then English

domingo, 24 de abril de 2011

Estimado compañeros busco datos sobre la familia Méndez-Hidalgo es mi entendimiento que su solar novohispano era en San Luis Potosí de ahí algunas ramas poblaron Zacatecas (sitios como Pinos, Fresnillo, Zacatecas) y una rama pobló Los Altos de Jalisco.

Mis séptimos bisabuelos eran Joseph Nolasco Fernández de Villalpando y María Manuela Ménedez-Hidalgo tuvieron sus hijos en Sierra de Pinos la primera que he encontrado fue bautizada el 24 de febrero de 1751. No encuentro más de estos Méndez Hidalgos por lo tanto sospecho que llegaron de otro lugar, principalmente de San Luis Potosi ya que esta a los límites de Sierra de Pinos. Tendré que buscar el matrimonio la cual sería probable en Sierra de Pinos.

La rama de Los Altos de Jalisco se encuentra con Cristóbal Méndez-Hidalgo y su esposa Catalina de Mendoza Acuña quien bautizaron su hija Juana el 28 de julio de 1615 en Santa María de los Lagos. No sé si éste llegó de San Luis Potosí o como llegó a Los Altos de Jalisco.

Gracias antemano,
Daniel Méndez Camino

Sunday, 24 of April 2011

I’m looking for information regardina the Méndez-Hidalgo family, my understanding is they originated in San Luis Potosi from there several branches moved into Zacatecas and Los Altos de Jalisco.

My seventh great grandparents were Joseph Nolasco Fernández de Villalpando and María Manuela Méndez-Hidalgo. They had several kids in Sierra de Pinos, the first that I found was baptized 24 Feb 1751. I have not been able to find any more on these Méndez Hidalgo just clues. I suspect Manuela Méndez Hidalgo arrived from somewhere else not Sierra de Pinos probably San Luis Potosí. I still need to find a marriage record in Sierra de Pinos.

The branch that went to Los Altos de Jalisco began with Cristóbal Méndez-Hidalgo and his wife Catlaina de Mendoza Acuña who baptized their daughter Juana 28 Jul 1615 in Santa María de los Lagos. I’m not sure if he arrived from San Luis Potosí

Thanks before hand,
Daniel Méndez Camino

My surnames in JALISCO: ESPARZA, GARCIA, HERNANDEZ, LIRA (de LIRA), LOPES, MARTINES, ORTIZ, PAREDES (occasionally spelled as PADERES), de la ROSA, & TORRES

My name is Bert PAREDES and I'm researching the ancestors of my paternal great grandfather, Juan PAREDES, who was born in Ojuelos, Jalisco in 1862 and came to Texas in 1885. While I just recently joined this group and posted my Ahnentafel and GEDCOM here, I've been researching my PAREDES and associated lines for several years. My specific research targets in Jalisco are:

Joseph Antonio PAREDES & Maria Antonia MARTINES
Earliest record: baptism of daughter Maria Casilda, 21 April 1762, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico
Had two other known children: José Gregorio in 1762 & Maria Caesaria in 1764.
>> Looking for marriage or baptism records for this couple, and any info on their parents.

Bartoleme ESPARZA & Petronila (or Petra) GARCIA, married 8 May 1731, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico
Earliest record: 1731 marriage; have 10 children baptised in Ciénega de Mata from 1732 to 1756.
Possible match: Ciénega de Mata, 27 Mar 1715 baptism of Petronila GARSIA LOPES, daughter of Antonio GARSIA & Nicolas LOPES.
>> Looking for baptism records and any info on the parents of this couple.

Maria Josepha Carolina Rosa LIRA (or de LIRA), wife of Nicolas ESPARZA (son of Bartolome & Petronila), married 1761 in Ciénega de Mata, four known children from 1765 to 1774. Her daughter Maria Ynes, born in 1765, is listed in her 1787 marriage record with the birthplace of "Puesto de Carrasco," which I've been unable to find on any map.
Earliest record: baptism on 10 Dec 1743 in Ciénega de Mata.
>> Looking for info on parents, listed in her baptism & marriage records as Joseph DE LA ROSA & Maria Gertrudis de LIRA.

Maria Gregoria de los Dolores HERNANDEZ, married 11 Feb 1812 in Ojuelos to José Regino PAREDES. Three known children from 1713 to 1824.
Earliest record: baptism on 18 Mar 1793 in Ciénega de Mata.
>> Looking for info on her parents, named in her baptism & marriage records as Pedro José HERNANDEZ & Barbara Francisca LOPEZ

Yrinea ORTIZ, born about 1824, wife of José Paulino PAREDES. Four known children from 1848 to 1862.
Earliest record: marriage on 17 OCT 1841 at Señor San José in Ojuelos.
>> Looking for her baptism record and any info on her parents, named in her marriage record as Rafael ORTIZ & Maria Thomasa TORRES. Six other children of this couple were found from 1823 to 1838, with baptism records in Ciénega de Mata, except the last two (1835 & 1838) who were baptized in Ojuelos. The earliest sibling baptisms are 1823 & 1825 in Ciénega de Mata, but Yrinea's is missing. Also, in San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, there is a 21 Jun 1844 baptism record for Manuel E Ysmael ORTIZ, with parents named as Rafael ORTIZ & Tomasa TORRES, which might be the same couple.

Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to share. If I can be of any help to you, please let me know.

Thank you & muchos gracias,

- Bert Paredes
Littleton, Colorado, USA
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

A todos ustedes: salud, amor y dinero y la tiempo para gustarlos.
To all of you: health, love, and money, and the time to savor them.

Two pictures of dwellings.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1293/huthuejuquilla.jpg
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/4937/hutgaliciaspain.jpg

First picture is a hut in Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
Second picture is a hut with similar design in Galicia, Spain

Note that the state of Jalisco in Mexico's old name is "Nueva Galicia" New Galicia.

But could that type of dwelling in Huejuquilla get its origins from the Europe settlers from Spain that came to Huejuquilla back during the time of the Spanish?

I just wanted to wish everyone in the group Happy Easter. And good luck on finding your ancsstors.

Quiero decir a todos que tienen un pascua muy feliz. Y buena suerte en encontrando sus ancestros.

Jonathan

HI everybody just a quick question too all i know that santo domingo falls into SLP but its not far from Sacatecaz also i know that allot of this people from santo domingo comes from Sacatecaz i been trying to find info about this town but it seen that the internet do not have info on this town if anyone know anything about this town please i will be very happy if you share it with me

also if you know anything about the melendes and Tapia from this same place please let me know thanks

My Ruiz's line, descending from Diego Ruiz, c. 1712, Yahualica, Jal is
R1b1a2a1a1a(R U106 for short). I believe but as yet cannot prove that he is
the son of Cayetano Ruiz, who married Juana Rubalcaba in Cuquio, Jalisco, on
4 Feb 1712. If male out there is a direct descendent of Cayetano Ruiz and
knows his haplogroup, I would love to see if there is a match. So far none
has shown up in Ysearch or the Genealogy of Mexico surname project. I know
its a long shot, but....

I am hoping someone has had more success than I in locating the mg of
Catalina Gonzales de Hermosillo, dtr of Melchor Gonzales de Hermosillo and
Francisca Renteria Mojica, with Agusitin Perez de Paredes, son of Alonso
Perez and Luisa Paredes. I believe they married in the 1690s. 3 of the 4
children I've identified were baptized in Jalostotitlan, Jal., in the first
years of the 1700s. Any help would be much appreciated.

I know a few of NR members are researching in Nayarit. Below are my rough notes on the images on Informacion Matrimonial. Again, these I jotted down only for my notes and contain mainly the Pretenso's name, in some instances I included a bit more inof. Anyway, it will save you the time of viewing 500+ images to find what you are looking for.

*NOTE* the following has not been checked for typos and errors, it is a first draft of quick-and-dirty notes that I tooK as I scanned though each image online.
I hope it helps anyway!

ACAPONETA, NAY - Información matrimonial 1793-1819

Images #'s 1-514
6 cover
7 jose antonio perez, esp
9 joaquin sandoval
11 jose guillermo ?mazorra
13 bartolo perez, mulato
15 hilario antonio guerrero
17 miguel ponce
19 jose franco. rodriguez
22 jose maria villela (gert guzman)
24 jose lazaro indio
27 german medina
29 jose xxx gerbara indio
31 franco. vazquez franco (de los reynos de castilla)
34 pedro ignacio flores (maria bacilia islas)
36 juan manuel pastor
41 jose antonio viera (maria jose silva)
42 manuel guzman
44 jose timoteo castillo
47 jose aquinas guzman

50 salvador herrera
53 franco. calistro medina (jacoba)
56 toribio aletes (aldrete?) from colotlan
59 pedro jose gonz (nicolasa gonz)
61 jose leonardo montano
63 jose anselmo gonz
66 jose ma gonz (con mulata)
69 jose andrade mulato
72 faustino cervantes
74 agustin de lora coyote
76 benancio aperequita
78 jose valentin lopez portillo
81 tomas ornelas
84 jose antonio xx mulato
86 atanacio ximenez
87 jose maria gonz (claudia bruno)
89 juan bartolome lopez
91 pedro maria fonseca
93 xx (indios)
95 teodoro partida + FRANCISCA VILLELA
97 bernardino machado, coyote

100 jose maria meza
102 felipe santiago viera
104 gervacio osuna
106 juan bautista asperequita
110 juan antonio rubio
112 jose maria herrero
116 jose maria fonseca (h.n. de xx fonseca)
118 santiago de herrera calderon
121 jose maria gonz (maria josefa medina)
123 jose mariano Lxx (franca. corona)
126 jose carredo
129 jose maria aperiqueta (w/osuna)
131 serapio rosalio mulato
135 francisfo montano (benites)
140 juan de dios benites
142 tiburcio rubio
145 juan roman de orosco
147 eusebio osuna
149 roberto beltran

152 lorenzo rodriguez
154 rafael crisanto ocampo
156 miguel betarreon? mulato
159 franco. silva
161 josema de la cruz, indo
163 eusevio de mesa
165 jose trinidad gutierrez
167 marcos leonicio salazar
169 jose cruz gonz (juliana gert. altamirano)
171 jose maria silva, viudo
173 andres antonio maria, mulato
176 jose antonio lopez
178 jose franco. jara mulato
180 hilario fonseca
183 simon cosme martinez
185 jose maria chavarin
189 jose maria jimenez
192 rafael romero
193 cornelio seja
195 vecente duenas mulato

INFO MAT 1806 - 1819
201 xx de seja
202 salbador de seja
205 pedro antonio solis
208 jose felix ?sarmiento?
211 jose antonio medina
213 juan dominguez
215 fraco. salvador lopez
218 jose vicente viera
221 mariano brueno mulato
224 jose narcisco sillas
227 jose carlos indio
230 antonio marcelino guteires
233 jose santiago mulato
236 jose agustin valencia
238 xx indio
241 jose tomas villela indio
243 jose roque gonzalez
245 jose gergorio manjarres
247 jose antonio cuellar
249 pedro davalos
251 franco osuna (herrera)
253 juan jose alvino de orxx mulato
255 antonio mariano hernandez
257 tomas villanueva
259 gregorio hernandez (mria benites)

261 manuel de los reyes
263 juan jose eufracio hernandez
265 xx mulato
267 xx mulato
269 jose miguel gomez
271 juan matias indio
273 fulgencio jimenez
275 jose mateo herrera
277 juan frano. velasco
279 jose xx sandoval
281 jose guadalipe montero
283 jose tereso de jesus mejia
285 jose justo lopez
287 bernardino antonio partida
290 anastacio de ibarra (maria rafaela fonseca y medina)
296 JUAN ESTEVAN GUARDADO
299 estanislao gonz

301 juan ramon eduardo viera
303 franco. julian garcia
305 jose cirilo rosales
307 jose domingo garcia
310 atanacio velazquez
313 jose eusevio romero
315 felix asperiqueta (zedaño)
318 luciano diaz
322 jose bernardino acosta (solis)
324 jose cosme duran
328 florentino rodriguez (garcia)
330 pedro panduro - LONG ONE
344 franco. sillas
347 jose gregorio anselmo de la cruz
349 jose julian garcia (martina vasquez)

351 juan antonio barron
353 jose alejo de la cruz
355 jose lino lopez
358 antonio vicente garcia (gert partida)
361 manuel estevan contreras
363 rafael de ayala
365 jose maria
368 antonio maria medina (gila beltran)
370 jose maria cisneros (maria aguilar)
372 pedro jose vera (dionicia henriquez?)
374 jose guadalupe martinez (ma. guad. rubio)
380 juan jose soto
381 juan jose soto
383 juan jose soto
386 jose maria alvarez
388 don nemecio ledon or lexon
390 jose maria villela
392 santiago osuna
394 jose ramon valdes
396 xx cervantes?
398 juan manuel ramos

I have just posted the second installment to my key to the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations. This covers the period of 1700 to 1720, and represents about 1500 marriage investigations.

The entries are in chronological order.

The file is in the Files area, under Reference Materials, Aguascalientes Matrimonial Investigations. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014

This is a pdf file of 215 pages. The references are to volume and image number as posted on Family Search.

The file can be searched using the search feature of Adobe Acrobat Reader. Spelling generally follows the spelling of the original record. For example, Lopez could be either Lopez or Lopes. The obvious abbreviations have been spelled out.

George Fulton

I have recently identified Juana Macias Valades, wife of Lucas Contreras, as
the mother of Bernardo Contreras, my 6ggfa, as listed in his marriage record
of 11 Feb 1733 in Teocaltiche, Jal., to Feliciana Alonzo de Ynojos. I have
noted a lot of conversation re earlier Macias Valadas individuals, and
wonder if any of you have information on this one. Any leads would be
appreciated.
Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

Gracias a Welester G. Alvarado estamos en contacto con el Sr. Rodolfo
Derbez que es el responsable directo del Proyecto de Indexación en todo
México

Tenemos una gran oportunidad para involucrarnos en registros de
indexación específicamente para los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes

Hay un compromiso mínimo de 30 minutos de trabajo por semana, pero creo
que todos estarán de acuerdo en que 30 minutos es un compromiso fácil
para un proyecto tan importante.

Actualmente hay más de 600 miembros del grupo y me gustaría encontrar a
30 personas en el grupo dispuestos a trabajar en la indexación de los
registros de los Estados de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes

Si podemos encontrar 30 personas sería aproximadamente el 5% de los miembros

Si deseas ver de qué se trata es necesario que realices una prueba muy
simple que te llevará 2 minutos en la siguiente página:
https://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/testdrive/testdrive.jsf

Me parece bastante simple, los invito a realizar este proyecto tan
importante conmigo.

============================

Thanks to Welester G. Alvarado we are in contact with a Mr. Rodolfo
Derbez who is affiliated with the LDS church in Mexico and works
specifically on the Mexico Indexing Project. We have a great opportunity
to get involved in indexing records specifically for the states of
Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. There is a minimum commitment of
30 minutes per week but I think all will agree that 30 minutes per week
is an easy commitment for such an important project. Currently there are
over 600 members of the group and I would like to find 30 people in the
group willing to work on indexing records for the states of Jalisco,
Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes (well 29 since I'm committing to the
project). If we can find 30 people then that would roughly represent 5%
of the membership. If you would like to see what is involved then take
the very simple and short 2 minute test drive of the indexing project at:

https://indexing.familysearch.org/newuser/testdrive/testdrive.jsf

It looks pretty simple come and join me.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Hello everyone,

I have been trying to find my way through my family tree. My mother's side
has been okay somewhat, however my father's side has stumped me. I can't go
past my great-grandparents. I'm doing research on the last names of Leon,
Chavez in Teocaltiche and Macias, Tisnado in Huejotitan, Jalisco.

First in Teocaltiche:
My father is the oldest of 11 children born to Jose Guadalupe Leon Chavez
(born 1916) and Ramona Macias. According to family lore, Ramona was a
servant or maid at the Leon household in Guadalajara sometime in the late
1930's (because my father was born in May, 1941) and due to a broken heart
or because the woman he wanted to marry was not allowed to, Jose Guadalupe
instead turned to Ramona and began a very tumultuous and sometimes
violent relationship with her. My father always remembered being extremely
poor and of being hungry all the time, but he said that his father's family
was somewhat well off and originated from Teocaltiche where my grandfather
was born. I don't believe Jose and Ramona married right away because my
father's stories never included his father until later in life.

I get stumped because every search that I've done, never brings back results
for the last names Leon or Chavez or Teocaltiche. The 1930 census on
FamilySearch can be broken down by location in Jalisco, however Teocaltiche
is not listed. My question to the group is, was Teocaltiche a smaller town
that fell under a different, larger town or municipality in 1930? Can
anyone help steer me to a different site to look for information? Ancestry
doesn't help much either.

Secondly in Huejotitan:
Ramona Macias (my grandmother born in 1923) was supposedly the illegitamite
child of Maria Macias and a gentleman with the last name of Tisnado. She
only had one brother who is still alive in Mexico City and is called Tio
Chico. I've never met him as my father and I are estranged. I did a search
in the 1930 census for Maria Macias in Huejotitan and I found something that
totally surprised me. The head of household, Matias Ponce, and his common
law wife, Felipa Tisnado, had the following people living with them: Maria
Macias (listed as being a widow), age 26, Jose Macias. age 23, Efren Macias,
age 16, Jesus Macias, age 14 and then the children:* Ramona Gomes, age 8*,
Francisco Loma, age 6, Wenceslao Loma, age 3, Teresa Estrada, age 2, and
Porfirio Mondragon, age 1 month. Why would there be so many kids with
different last names and with such varying ages living in the same house
with these adults? It has led me to believe that maybe the kids were street
kids, or foster kids? After this I reach a dead end.

I apologize for such a long message, but if someone has any clue as to where
I can go from here, i'd really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance!
~Mari

Spanish then english translation

Castellano:

Estimado compañeros:

Revisando los archivos parroquiales del solar novohispano de mi familia paterna encontré varios actas de interés. Uno es el matrimonio de Nicolás Hernández Gamiño.

Textualmente dice:

En 18 del mes de março de 1650 case infaciae. . .Nicolás Hernándes Gamiño español natural de la villa de León con Juana de Garfias hija legitima de Gonsalo Peres de Garfias y Geronima Calderón españoles. Testigos Juan Martín Barragán regidor desta villa y Diego de Ochoa Garibay y Pedro Gutierres de Robles. Padrinos Diego de Garibay y su muger doña Juana Palomino españoles. [rúbrica Miguel Martín Varragán].

Nicolás Hernández Gamiño era hijo de Domingo Hernández Gamiño y Juana Gómez de Espejo antiguo vecinos de León el Obispado de Michoacán a los principios del siglo XVII. Radica una línea que es Nicolás Hernández Gamiño a Zamora, Michoacán.

Daniel Méndez Camino

English:
Looking through the church records of the place where my paternal family called home during Colonial Mexico (Zamora, Michoacan) I found varios records of interes. For now I post the marriage of Nicolas HErnandez Gamino.

Literally it says

En 18 del mes de março de 1650 case infaciae. . .Nicolás Hernándes Gamiño español natural de la villa de León con Juana de Garfias hija legitima de Gonsalo Peres de Garfias y Geronima Calderón españoles. Testigos Juan Martín Barragán regidor desta villa y Diego de Ochoa Garibay y Pedro Gutierres de Robles. Padrinos Diego de Garibay y su muger doña Juana Palomino españoles. [rúbrica Miguel Martín Varragán].

Nicolás Hernández Gamiño was the son of Domingo Hernández Gamiño "el escribano" and Juana Gómez de Espejo early settlers of León in the Obispado de Michoacán at the beginning of the XVII century. An important line which is Nicolás Hernández Gamiño settles in Zamora, Michoacán at the middle of the XVII century.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Can someone tell me what is meant by "laguense" in the excerpt below?

57Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio. Los cuadernos de visita del laguense Mateo José de Arteaga a 17 pueblos del sur de Jalisco en 1767 [Guadalajara, Jal., Méx.] Universidad de Guadalajara : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes 1999

Also, I found in a marriage for a couple in Jerez where it says "no fueron velados por ser tiempo prohibido". What is meant by that? Why would a certain span of time prohibit the nuptial benediction?

Thanks in advance.

Halguien puede explicar que es "laguense"? Y tambien, porque "no velados por ser tiempo prohibido". Porque hay tiempo de prohibir bendiciones nuptiales?

Gracias antemano,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA