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Thank you for your response. Rancho Cucamonga is about 30 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, in San Bernardino County.

I look forward to hearing again from you when you return home.
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Paul,
I did. However, I am visiting my son in Northern California so I don't
have much information with me (I forgot to bring it, :-) but I don't
have information going that far back. Leticia helped with these names
and I only have to mid 1850's. I probably can connect but it may not be
for some time. Do you have anything for 1800's? Is Rancho Cucamonga
toward L.A.? I lived in Northern California for a while, so I don't
remember where Rancho Cucamonga is.

Anyway, the names you mentioned sure sound familiar and hope when I get
home I can check things out further. I'm in San Diego County.
-Esther

paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:
> Esther,
>
> Did you have a chance to read my response yet?
>
> Paul Gomez

Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem to have come to the end of the line.

I would like to know if anyone has any information on Ramualdo Huizar and Cruz Miramontes,, one child born in 1889, Aniceto Huizar. we believe he was from the Colotlan area of Jalisco.

Hi hope everyone is doing well today.  Erlinda Castanon-Long thank you and yes we even look into the names Resendiz.
 
Jonathan  thank you so much! yes it helped a great deal it filled in alot of the blanks we had
again thank you very much.

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Dolores,

I would suggest, trying trying the FamilySearch Record Search page (pilot). I have been able to piece together Family tree on both sides of your family.

Fourth Generation

Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society of Northern California is in the planning stages of a reunion with members of Nuestros Ranchos from the Southern California area. Members from other states, Mexico,and Canada are also cordially invited to attend.

The date is scheduled for March 6, 2010,in Fresno,California. Fresno is located about mid-point between,Sacramento and Los Angeles, and an easy drive between both locations.

Fresno is also serviced with flights between the two cities. The location will be determined once we know the total number of people attending.

The tentiave agenda is:

To meet and greet, and share family group sheets, and meet new cousins and Paisanos.
Lunch/dinner with a guest speaker.
Break out to groups sharing family names.

If we have enough interest, we can then plan on some activities for Sunday.

March 2010 seems like such a distance in the future however, we would like to give members ample time to plan for the meeting.

If you are interested or have any questions, please feel free to contact us at the e-mail listed below. We will need to have a minimum of participants.

Please do not respond to Nuestro Ranchos, as the communication will be taken off line.

Please respond only to the following e-mail – Mistyriver123@yahoo.com

The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society was formed to exchange research tips, and exchange genealogical information. The group is composed of many Nuestros Ranchos members, as well, as a few others researching in other areas. All are welcome to join.

La Sociedad Genealógica Nueva Galicia del Norte de California
está planeando una reunión con miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que viven en el
área del Sur de California. Miembros de otros estados, México, y Canada
también están cordialmente invitados a asistir.

La fecha del evento es el 6 de marzo de 2010, en Fresno, California.
Fresno está a mitad de distancia entre Sacramento y Los Angeles, y
es un viaje fácil de las dos direcciones. También hay vuelos directos a Fresno. El lugar será escogido cuando tengamos el número final de
asistentes.

La agenda tentativa es:
1. Introducciones entre miembros, compartir árboles genealógicos, y conocer
parientes y paisanos.
2. Comida/cena con un invitado especial.
3. Dividirnos en grupos pequeños para colaborar con datos de familias.

Si hay suficiente interés podemos planear otras actividades para el domingo.

Marzo del 2010 parece muy lejano, pero queremos darles a los miembros
suficiente aviso para planear su participación en este evento.

Si estás interesado o tienes alguna pregunta, por favor contáctanos al
e-mail indicado abajo.

Tenemos un mínimo de participantes ya determinado.

Por favor no respondas a Nuestro Ranchos, toda la comunicación será fuera
de línea.

Por favor responde solamente a este e-mail - Mistyriver123@yahoo.com

La Sociedad Genealógica Nueva Galicia fue formada con la intención de compartir estudios genealógicos y técnicas para el investigador. El grupo consiste de miembros de Nuestros Ranchos y algunos otros investigadores de
otras áreas. Todos son bienvenidos a unirse a nuestra Sociedad.

ESPANOL SIGUE ABAJO

Thanks to the volunteer efforts of Jose Luis Felix, we have upgraded the Films section so that borrowers names no longer simply show up as text, but rather as hyperlinks to the relevant Nuestros Ranchos user profiles... that way you can more easily find out who has the film and contact them.

There are a number of stray films for which Jose Luis was unable to identify the user because the name was entered in an incomplete manner. If you put your name as a borrower for any of the following films, please go back to the relevant film and use the new function to check ("I have this film on permanent loan") so that you will show up as a borrower for the film.

ESPANOL

Gracias a los esfuerzos voluntarios de José Luis Félix, hemos actualizado la sección de Rollos de Microfilmacion para que los nombres de los prestatarios ya no sólo se muestran como texto, sino más bien como enlaces a los correspondientes perfiles de usuario Nuestros Ranchos ... De esa manera usted puede encontrar más fácilmente quién tiene el rollo en cuestion y ponerse en contacto con ellos.

Hay una serie de rollos para los cuales José Luis no pudo identificar al usuario porque el nombre se inscribió en forma incompleta. Si usted puso su nombre como un prestatario para cualquiera de los siguientes rollos, favor de regresar al rollo pertinente y utilizar la nueva función de verificación ("Tengo esta película en préstamo permanente") de manera que se mostrará como un prestatario de de la película.

Jose Felix Macias - Nochistlan
Pilar Felix - Rincon de Romos
Henry - Autlan de Navarro
Henry - Yahualica
Felix Macias - Nochistlan
Eligio y Juliana - Lagos de Moreno

Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron Lucas De ochoa y Maria Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:
1.-Julian, Casado el 10 de febrero de 1752 en Lagos con Juana Maria de Arce y Castilla, hija de Sebastian de Arce y Castilla y de Juana Gomez Calvillo
2.-José, Casado el 17 de febrero 1749 igualmente en Lagos, con Barbara Moreno Rodriguez, hija ésta de Antonio Moreno Rodriguez y de Juana de Nava

No he encontrado ni matrimonio de Lucas y Josefa, ni Bautizo de alguno de sus hijos.Ojalá álguien pueda ayudarme.

Having spent considerable time with the Pilot.FamilySearch images of
christening records of Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia,
Aguascalientes, I have reached a few conclusions I hadn't really
expected before.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the records - mistakes or errors
- which I had first believed were mostly due to incomplete or
inaccurate information from the parties involved: in other words, the
informants were not well informed. But I've ben able to correlate multiple references to the same individuals in numerous families, and the kinds of
mistakes suggest something else: namely, that the mistakes (and there are
many of them) are copying errors.

For example, many of the mistakes are names that look very similar but
do not necessarily sound similar: like Castorena for Contreras, Chavez
for Chaires, Filomena for Florencia, Montoya for Mendoza, and many
more. Even though the handwriting is clear, it must have been copied
from handwriting that was not. I have even seen similar mistakes
within the same record, where for example the name in the margin looks
similar to but is not the same as the name in the text.

What further supports the conclusion that many errors are copying
errors is the organization of Rincón and San José baptismal records.
In any given month, the records for that month consistently begin with
records "En la parroquia de San José de Gracia ... bautizé ... en la
Yglesia de Rincón de Romos". These begin with the first of the month
and continue through the end of the month. Then, without any break,
but usually an inserted heading, the register goes back again to the
first of the month and lists records "En la parroquia de San José de
Gracia ... en la Yglesia de este lugar", that is, the chapel in San
José. These also continue to the end of the month, and then the
records for Rincón begin again for the following month. This format
spans many decades.

The only way these records could occur in this order is if they were
copied from some other books or papers. That would also explain the
types of errors that are present - the scribe couldn't read the
other's (or his own) handwriting. At times I am inclined to believe
that the real originals from which these were copied must have been
quite a mess. That the original registers might be copied
and the copies become the only known "originals" is of course
no surprize, and was probably quite commonplace. Temporary records
were made and then "permanentized" into another register, or old books
became worn and tattered and were copyied afresh - for which we can be
thankful. Who knows when the records were copied - it may have been
months or more than a hundred years after the real originals were
made.

I have heard that priests sometimes carried the books with them as
they journied to various localities within their jurisdiction, and
recorded the events directly into the registers. You can imagine how
such volumes might quickly become worn and damaged. I expect too, that
some head priest might combine the records made by several assistants,
creating the official registry.

Anyway, the bottom line is that it appears that many of the bautismos
from Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia were copies, which
explains the types of errors often present in them. Knowing this
affects the way I interpret the records. The marriage records,
however, (some of them) seem to be more consistant, and perhaps were
more original. In my mind they carry more weight or credibility than
the baptismal records, particularly as to parents's names, although
one would normally expect the reverse to be true.

Studying these records has been a revelation. I'm recognizing more and
more handwriting idiosyncrasies. The other day, my wife and I were
both puzzling over a name in 1888 that looked like Erenpas when all of
a sudden I realized it was Campos. I would never have thought of
Campos had I not known it was a common name in the area, and also the
peculiar way this particular scribe sometimes made his C's. Once I saw
the name as Campos, I could not see it as anything else. I'm sure
everyone who studies these records has had similar experiences. If
only someone would tell those people to be more consistant with their
a's and o's, so I could tell hijas from hijos ... or better yet - why
didn't they just use a typewriter!

On another topic, I am a little puzzled by the term "auciliar". Rincón
de Romos was originally an auciliar de San José de Gracia. But San
José de Gracia is also sometimes written as "la yglesia auciliar de la
parroquia de San José de Gracia" at a time when San José de Gracia was
really a parish in its own right and not an auxiliar of anything,
except perhaps of the diocesis, if you can think of it that way. I'm
wondering if the term auciliar was used rather loosely, and as such
has no particular significance.

I am trying to document my link to Genaro Codina, composer of Marcha Zacatecas. He was born in the city of Zacatecas in 1852 to Santiago Codina and Maria Dolores Fernandez. Family history has it that he was 'primo hermano' (first cousin) to my great grandfather, Mucio Codina. That would make Genaro's father and Mucio's father brothers and their father would be Jose Eufracio Codina.

Jose Eufracio married in Jerez, Zacatecas and had several children there but I found no record for Santiago Codina. FamilySearch IGI has an unsourced record for Santiago's marriage in Zacatecas, Zacatecas in 1851 but I have been unable to find the church record in the Family History Library films. My search has been hampered by missing years in the films.

If anyone has run across any of there names in your research, I would greatly appreciate your help.

Omar Codina

Looking for information and family from Vera family... Luis Vera y Francisca Jimenez, Julio Jimenez y Telesfora Esparza and Remualdo Vera y Tiburcia Paredes

Muchas gracias a la persona anonima, miembro de este grupo, por haber proporcionado las imagenes de paginas de la Iglesia Mormona (LDS) que contienen gran cantidad de numeros validos de lotes (batch)del Estado de Aguascalientes. Este seria un buen proyecto para alguna persona que desee participar como voluntario. Se trata de probar cada uno de los numeros de lote (batch) para verificar cuales numeros todavia son validos.
Si desea trabajar en este proyecto pongase en contacto conmigo: Joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248.

Atte: Joseph Puente.

Many thanks to an anonymous member of the group for supplying these LDS page images that contain many valid batch numbers for Aguascalientes.

This would be a wonderful project for a volunteer: Go in and try each batch number and see which are still valid. Contact me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org if you'd like to work on this project.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248

joseph

Reading through the "Royal Blood" thread it is refreshing to see honesty and differing opinion handled with such respect and care...what a great bunch of people we have !

It's got me thinking though, it seems that "WE" , as individuals, truly are what we choose to be. I mean, it really is a state of mind. I have seen people catagorize themselves by nation of birth, ancestry and DNA evidence...all valid, but all a personal CHOICE.

If I choose to clasify myself by country of origin, then I am an American from the Southwestern United States. If I choose my recent ancestors, then I am an Alteno, specifically from San Jose De Bazarte, in Los Altos...if I choose to go back a couple generations, then I am Asturiano, from Sama in Asturias, Espana.

What about DNA evidence ? My group E-V13 originated in Anatolia, then spread to northern Greece and the rest of the Balkans, should I then call myself a Thracian or Dacian ? Perhaps Pelagasian or Phrygian ? It boils down to choice, we are free to choose...all are valid choices, each one is a truth unto itself. I suppose we should rejoice that we a free to choose and BE what ever we want to be, even if it is as simple as "I am my fathers son".

Robert~

Sigue en espanol

My great grandparents Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez (Neris) were married in Jalostotitlan on February 09, 1822. I have been unable to find their dates of birth or birthplace.

Does anyone know of a nearby place to Jalostotitlan where I could look? Any trends as far as people traveling from specific places to Jalostotitlan back in the late 1700s or early 1800s? I know Felipa Ramirez must have been born in Jalostotitlan because her parents were married there on July 29, 1797. I just cannot find the record for her and have no information for my granpa Manuel Gama (Estrada).

Another question, some of you mentioned that around the 1820's after the war for independence, some families changed their last name. I found my great granfathers to be Manuel Estrada (his father was also names Manuel Estrada) prior to 1820s and later the last name becomes Gama. As far as I can tell as of 1820s Gama was not a maternal last name and my guess is that it goes further back. Manuel Estrada Sr. had a child named Maria Asencion who was married in 1821 as Estrada and who registered her child in 1820 as Gama. At the same time, I do not know how Estrada appeared or when. In 1835 Manl. Gama (AKA Estrada) and Felipa Neris (AKA Ramires) had a child named Refugio Gama Neris in San Miguel el Alto. Any ideas or information as to how Estrada disappeared and Gama appeared shortly after 1822? My ancestors moved from Jalostotitlan to Uncion, then to San Miguel, and finally to Tamazula.

I have always been proud of the Gama last name because it is rare in most areas. But now I cannot find that Gama link! In 1822 my ancestor was married as Manuel Estrada showing his father to have the same name as him, Manuel Estrada.

Any guidance would be appreciated it.

Rosie Cordova

Mis bisabuelos fueron Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez quienes se casaron en Jalostotitlan en February 09, 1822. No he podido encontrar sus fechas o lugares de nacimiento.

Existe algun lugar certa de Jalostotitlan donde pudiera buscar en caso de que alli los hubieran registrado? Saben si hubo ciertas tendencias de viajeros que fueron de ciertas regiones a Jalostotitlan por las epocas a finales de 1700s o al empezar los 1800s? Se que Felipa Ramirez debio haber nacido en Jalostotitlan porque sus padres se casaron en July 29, 1797. Solo que no puedo encontrar el record de su nacimiento de ello y no tengo informacion acerca de mi abuelo Manuel Gama (Estrada).

Otra pregunta, algunos del grupo han comentado que alrededor de los 1820s, despues de la guerra de independencia, algunas familias cambiaron sus apellidos. Descubri que mi bisabuelo se llamaba Manuel Estrada (igual que su padre quien tambien se llamaba Manuel Estrada) antes de 1822 y despues uso el apellido de Gama. Por lo que puedo ver, Gama no es apellido materno y pienso que el apellido Gama va mas atras. Al mismo tiempo, no se como aparecio Estrada o cuando. Tiene alguna idea o informacion referente a como desaparecio el apellido Estrada y como aparecio el apellido Gama alrededor de 1822? Mis antepasados se movieron de Jalostotitlan a Uncion, despues a San Miguel, y luego a Tamazula.

Siempre habia estado orgullosa del apellido Gama porque no es muy usual en la mayoria de los lugares. Pero ahora no encuentro mi coneccion con Gama! En 1822 mi bisabuelo Manuel Estrada se caso con ese nombre y muestra que su padre era Manuel Estrada y tenia el mismo nombre.

Les agradeceria sus sugerencias.

Rosie Cordova

Hi everyone,

I am a new member of Nuestros Ranchos so I wanted to introduce myself. So
far I've loved the conversations that I've witnessed here. It's great to
have this community!

I am primarily researching the pueblos of Juchitlan and Tecolotlan, Jalisco,
as well as the rancho of San Gaspar, in the municipio de Union de Tula. My
family is from Juchitlan, but my Larios and Ramirez lines go back many times
over in San Gaspar, where there is a concentration of us. My Preciado line
goes back to Tecolotlan, where there are many of us. Other surnames I am
researching include Lomeli, Llamas, Gonzalez, Lepe, and Medina. Please see
my family file to see what I have so far:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18215

So far this was information I was able to gather from my grandparents before
they passed and other family members and documents. I have also done some
looking on FamilySearch.org, and found some promising information, but have
yet to incorporate this into the family file I currently have up.

If anyone is interested in sharing information, please let me know! I'd love
to meet some new primos (as if I don't have enough, LOL!)

Does anybody in this group knows what Saints' names were celebrated or listed in the religious calendar for February 23?
I remeber seeing a message on the Religious Calendar, in this forum, a few months ago.

Cuales Santos se celebran,de acuerdo con el calendario religioso, el dia 23 de Febrero?

Gracias por su ayuda.

John Gonzalez.

Mal de Ojo:

I remember seeing a little boy in Mexico, wearing an object around his neck. It had a thick oval shape and it was dark brown in color, I believe it was called "ojo de venado" a deer's eye. To me it looked more like some kind of seed about an inch in diameter and about 1/4 inch thick. According to the mother, it was being worn for protection against "mal de ojo" The "ojo de venado" could be purchased (I don't know if they can still be found) where herbs were sold, or from "yerberos" people who sell herbs in the street or local mercado. I personally don't believe in witchcraft, but evidently some people still do.

John Gonzalez

Hi everyone. I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Claudia Reynoso.

To be brief, as brief as I can be, here are bullet items:

-my family hails from MOYAHUA, ZACATECAS (ranchos my grandfather speaks of: El Pitayo, Buenavista, Barras Amarillas, Santa Cruz, and El Aguado)
-i am bi-lingual, so you can communicate with me in English or Spanish
-most of my family now resides in the USA, with distant reltives scattered throughout Zac., Jal., and Baja Cal.
-the oldest living REYNOSO I know if my great-aunt, AURELIA REYNOSO (her maiden name). she is 84 years old

I am hoping to connect with members from Moyahua and surrounding areas. After reading some posts here I see that I am related to a couple of Reynoso members here! Below is my immediate line:

1. Maternal GRANDFATHER:
Jose Maria Reynoso b. 1926 - Moyahua, Zac.

2. Serapio Reynoso b. 1900 & Martina Gonzalez b. @1900 - Moyahua, Zac.

3. Marcelino Reynoso b. @1868 & Hilaria Haro b.@1873 - Moyahua, Zac.

4. Aniceto Reynoso b.1826 & Nemesia Rodrigues b. 1824

5. Toribio Reynoso b. @1787 & Norberta Romero b. @1795

6. Silberio Reynoso b. @1764 & Nasaria Carrillo b. @1767

I have about 200 names in my database, and I am looking forward to finding more. I'm also always happy to share information with everyone and I will soon post some interesting files for everyone to peruse.

Hasta pronto,

I am searching for any members of the Martinez/Martin and Pena family who lived in Encarncaion de Diaz, Jalisco. Other members of these two ancestors include Sanchez, Alonzo, Paredes, Macias, Espinosa, Ybarra, Medina, Rodriguez, and Salas. Almost, all were born, baptized, and married in Encarnacion de Diaz.

I am looking for family members of Pedro Covarrubias and Tomasa Hernandez from Cartajena Jalisco His son Evaristo Covarrubias and any other brothers or sisters to this family

Emilie,

>From what I can recall studying African History in Latin America, it is
widely believed that most of the Africans brought into Central and South
America were initially from Yoruba, which was then a nation east of what is now
known as Benin, however it is difficult to tell, as tribal people were
often separated, as the slave holders didn't want them to be able to
communicate with each other in their native tongue. I seem to recall an isolated
community in Guerrero was discovered where linguists were able to trace their
language to Yoruba. Because of these practices, it is difficult for many
African Americans to trace their ancestry to a specific tribe in Africa. I
do know however that in the latter years, because of a loop hole in Spanish
law that outlawed slavery in 1829, most slaves who arrived into Latin
countries no longer came from the west coast, they came from Angola.

I am one of the few people that has indeed found proof that I have
Tlaxcaltecan roots. I found birth certificates indicating that the name Bermea
(known then as Bermeo) and Flores were brought into Nadadores, Coahuila to
pacify existing nomadic tribes, later moving to a small settlement where they
were among the first settlers. This was BIG...as I know such records are
virtually impossible to find. I have read that Tlaxcalans were initially
brought into Zacatecas to keep the continued insurgents of the natives
(Caxcan) down. However, I have also read that other indigenous people were
brought in various parts of Zacatecas to help with mining, including those from
Michoacan, and other slaves including "chinos" who were from the
Philippines. (Eric...you might find this interesting with your discovery of your DNA
Test and discovery)
_http://www.history.ucsb.edu/courses/tempdownload.php?attach_id=2900_
(http://www.history.ucsb.edu/courses/tempdownload.php?attach_id=2900) .

For me, history has been relayed by those in power. So it is natural that
the records uncovered would have been written and kept by the Spanish. I am
not surprised, but am fascinated to know about my Spanish ancestors,
however It is much more interesting to discover roots of those whose
voices/history were oppressed. What I would give to listen to the perspectives of
women from long ago.

Also, as relates to inter-marriages (there are quite a few of them in my
family, and not so long ago), I had been told that it was mostly to ensure
that one knew the families as "good people". It seems that they believed
that if the mom was a "floosy", so will the be the female offspring....or if
the dad was a "drunk", so will be the male offspring. At least that is what
I was told...(wink).

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Does anyone know when the 1930 Census for Ojuelos De Jalisco is going to be availabe?

Hello members. I am fairly new to this. I would like some help, if any of you all have any info on baptism for Jose Victoriano Camacho. He was married to Maria Josefa Policarpia Lopes on 2/29/1808 at the age of 20yrs old in San Matias Pinos, Zacatecas. He was a "hijo natural". I am unable to find a baptism for him and was wondering if it was possible that he was not baptized at a young age and waited until he was older before he got married. He is the son of Juana Gertrudis Camacho who in turn is daughter of Juan Joseph Camacho and Maria Olaya Hernandez Navarro. This family lived in what was then the eastern edge of Zacatecas known as La Hacienda Vieja and today is Ahualulco, SLP. It has been quite difficult searching for this info. I was hoping to find the name of his father on the baptism record.

Gracias,
Antonio Camacho

All this talk about Royal blood and we Altenos having a preference of our cousins is interesting. This past Sunday night, I was watching a story on Josef Mengele's possible connection to multiple births of twins in a small town in Brazil. This was on the National Geographic channel:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/11/091125-nazi-twins-brazi…

I had to chuckle when the story came to an end because the multiple twin births had to do more with having a common German ancestor, and twins running in families. Sounds like Los Altos, huh?

Irma Gomez Gtz

Northern California

Once upon a time, after bumping into some evidence that at least several of
our ancestors might have been a royal (Alonso de Estrada, illigetimate son
of King Ferdinand), I asked my now deceased aunt why she had never said
anything about this connection. Her response was "That's who THEY were,
that's not who WE are."

She was a bitter woman, but a wise one. It is so true, while her siblings
might have looked "castellano", she, herself, looked like the Indigenous
blood inherited from the Tlacaltecas that were brought in from the south to
settle the northern territories. For her, it was impossible to embrace
years of subjugation based on her color, despite the apparent direct link to
Alonso de Estrada.