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Lagos de Moreno Records "Fabricas" 1733-1797

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Researching Lagos de Moreno Records I came across Fabricas. Lists of deaths, including cost and names. Is this the working of the 'hacienda'? Was the death then listed in the church records?

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Lagos de Moreno Records

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Fábricas are church funds. Basically these are ledgers. No, it wasn't the working of the hacienda.

http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=%20F%C3%A1brica

6. f. En las iglesias, renta o derecho que se cobraba para repararlas y costear los gastos del culto divino.

Armando

Autosomal DNA tests

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I did an autosomal DNA test with FamilyTreeDNA. The Population Finder results were very misleading since they use only the groups with the highest portion of certain DNA markers.

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DNA tests

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I think it's a waste of time and money to do any genealogy DNA tests.

They're predictable and very vague.

Jose Carlos de Leon

I used Family tree and after 2 years I got a match with Benajamin who lives in Portland, Oregon We matched 66 of 67 markers and with family finder we know that we are related. I have researched the family tree of Sanchez Castellanos' family and I am helping him to connect our trees. I hope both of us will trace our roots and probe that DNA is useful for Genealogy.

Juan Francisco.

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To Juan Francisco, just to clarify to everyone else. The 66 of 67 markers are from a Y-DNA 67 marker test. That is an extremely close match. I understand your comment was in response to Joseph de León. However, the test I had started this thread about is an autosomal test. At FamilyTreeDNA it is called Family Finder.

To add to previous comments I have made I know through Y-DNA results that there are people with the last name Jaime or Xaime that are actually descendants of Romo de Vivar. I also know that the Villalobos families from Zacatecas are related to the Villalobos of Jalisco and Aguascalientes. Those results are also definitive and not vague or predictable.

Armando

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To Joseph de Leon, You have already stated your negative attitude about these tests. Your lack of knowledge and understanding on the subject is causing your unwarranted comments.

I have proven that most people with my surname are related. This could not have been done without Y-DNA tests by descendants of the same surname. The autosomal test shows I was lower in African ancestry than I had expected. I would not have known this without the autosomal test. How is this predictable and vague? It's not, it is quite the opposite.

Armando

a "heads-up" on the surnames Herrera and Santiago

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In my Jalisco family branch ancestor, the surnames Herrera and Santiago are so intertwining and tricky-confusing.

Most of the earlier ancestors use Herrera de Santiago as a surname.

Duda acerca de la ascendencia de Andrés de Martín y María de las Ruelas

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Hola:

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Andres Martin Y Maria De Las Ruelas

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Salvador,

Hola yo tambien desciendo de estos doe individuales y no puedo encontrar sus padres si tiene informacion addicinal sobre estas dos personas porfavor en compartela con migo gracias.

can anyone read this

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i found the marriage dispensation for francisco valenzuela and margarita ortega. the writing is very hard to read.

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can anyone read this

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For what I understand, they lived like husband and wife for 4 years and had a daughter which they secretly left in her aunt's house, where the child had been raised and is 3 years old or so (tubo amistad carnal como tiempo de quatro años poco mas; en cuio tiempo tubo una hija del susodicho llamada Josepha; a la qual la expusieron secretamante en casa de Bernarda de Gallegos tia de la declarante donde se a criado. Tendra como tres años o poco mas).

About 1 year and 4 or 5 months earlier the authorities separated them since they were not married and sent her to Colotlan (Y que abra tiempo de año y quatro o sinco meses que por el dicho Sr. Vicario se les fulmino causa dobre dicha ylisita amistad y puso en deposito a la declarante que estasygurada en el pueblo de Colotlan).

They are related by second with third degree of consanguinity "por copula ilicita", which is sex among unmarried people.
-The groom (Francisco de Balensuela) is first-cousin of the mother (Maria de Saldaña) of the bride (Margarita de Ortega).

According to the pages in the folloging image:
-Francisco Gallegos was the grandfather the groom and great-grandfather of the bride. He had "copula ilicita" with Juana de Saldaña and from both of them descend the bride and groom (probeniendo de copula ylicita que cometio Francysco Gallegos abuelo del pretenso y bisabuelo de la prestensa con Juana de Saldaña con quien tubo amistad ylicita de cuias dos personas probinieron los contrayentes)
-They had two daughters: Ysabel Gallegos (mother of the groom) and Josepha de Saldaña (grandmother of the bride).

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

can anyone read this

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thanks a lot for explaining/translating what this document was about. the wording in the document was confusing. i wasn't sure how the name josefa saldana fit in the tree.

Testamentos Nochistlán-Mexticacán siglo XVIII

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Qué tal buenas tardes

Rafael Femat/Romo, Urvana Lira link to her image record of burial

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Hello

Rafael Romo/Femat, Urvana Lira link to image of her record of death

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Hello

Reliability scale for genealogical data in gedcom

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Hello

Can anyone direct me to the description of the different levels of reliability for sources? I have seen "Reliability 3" and am wondering what that means.

Regards
Denise

Where to find Informaciones Matrimoniales?

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Hello

Guerra last name in Jalisco

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I don't know how else to write and ask this question, so here goes.

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Guerra last name in Jalisco

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Ignacio Guerra, son of Antonio Guerra and Gregoria Martín, and Margarita Garcia were married 06 Jun 1825 in La Chona.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-54243-47?cc=1874591&wc…

Antonio Guerra, son of Joseph Antonio Guerra and Luisa Moreno, and Gregoria Martín were married 14 Feb 1795 in La Chona

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58513-10?cc=1874591&wc…

Joseph Antonio Guerra, hijo natural of Juan Guerra and Polonia Ortega, and Luisa Moreno de Ortega y Vásquez de Lara, daughter of Andrés Moreno de Ortega and Manuela Vázquez de Lara Sotomayor, were married 21 de febrero 1762 in Lagos de Moreno.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-3328-69?cc=1874591&wc=…

We are related through the Moreno de Ortega family (relatives of the hero of the Indpendance of Mexico the insurgent Pedro Moreno), and some others, and I have more info I can share with you on that side of the family.

You might be able to prove the grandparents of Joseph Antonio Guerra, hijo natural of Juan Guerra and Polonia Ortega, by searching for a dispensa of one of his descendants.

Saludos,
Armando

Guerra last name in Jalisco

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Armando,

Muchas Gracias! Ni yo me emaginaba el poder de este grupo.

Tengo muchas mas preguntas.

Hector Guerra Polina.

Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz

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Hello,

I am new to Nuestros Ranchos and not sure how to begin. I am looking for information in the city of Encarnacion de Diaz for my deceased father's father (Paz Romero). He was born a

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Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz

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Hi Susan

You ask...what does it mean when it states 'this marriage required a consanguinity despensation'? (tercero con cuatro grado).

In the Roman Catholic Church a consanguinity dispensation is required in order to marry a "blood" relative within the fourth degree, which means that the engaged couple has a common great-great grandparent(s). A 'tercero con cuatro grado' means that the common ancestor(s) for the couple is a great-grandparent(s) for one and a great-great grandparent(s) for the other. This bit of information will be helpful as you build your family tree.

As you go farther back in time (prior to approx. 1812), you may want to visit Claudia Casilla's terrific website at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/p/index-years-1800-1899.html, which has listings of extracted names from the Guadalajara Diocese records.

Austin Perez

Encarnacion de Diaz

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Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally from
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a lot
of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My curiosity
for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age. I
remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as possible
in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I was
9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having the
desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where I
came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the 1800's
and that was amazing!

Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are out
there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my past
along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots. I
already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I have
been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you can
help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help any of
you, please do not hesitate to call on me.

My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos is
"Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)

My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to Ma.
Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona. De
Santos is "Las Pilas"

I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"

If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!

Thank you in advanced!

Hector Guerra Polina

Encarnacion de Diaz

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Welcome Hector! You could do no better than to join this group. I've had so
much help from everyone at Nuestros Ranchos. I made my daughter a promise I
would work on our family tree, with the help of NR staff, and Family Search,
I have found my grandfather and back 5 more to 1712. Stick with Nuestros
Ranchos they will lead you in the right direction and it will be like going on a
tresure hunt. Good Luck!

Ann M. Gutierrez
Chicago, IL USA

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From: Hector Guerra
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 6:03:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz

Thank you in advanced!

Hector Guerra Polina

Encarnacion de Diaz

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hola,
Tengo varios Guerras en mi árbol pero ellos son de Lagos de Moreno,

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Welcome Hector! You could do no better than to join this group. I've had
> so
> much help from everyone at Nuestros Ranchos. I made my daughter a
> promise I
> would work on our family tree, with the help of NR staff, and Family
> Search,
> I have found my grandfather and back 5 more to 1712. Stick with Nuestros
> Ranchos they will lead you in the right direction and it will be like
> going on a
> tresure hunt. Good Luck!
>
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
> Chicago, IL USA
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hector Guerra
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 6:03:10 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz
>
> Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally from
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a lot
> of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My curiosity
> for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age. I
> remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as possible
> in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I was
> 9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having the
> desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where I
> came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
> started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the 1800's
> and that was amazing!
>
> Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
> realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are out
> there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
> their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
> with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my past
> along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots. I
> already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I have
> been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you can
> help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help any of
> you, please do not hesitate to call on me.
>
> My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
> The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
> and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
> Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos is
> "Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
> Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)
>
> My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
> Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
> married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
> Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to Ma.
> Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona. De
> Santos is "Las Pilas"
>
> I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
> any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
> contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"
>
> If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
> greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
> Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!
>
> Thank you in advanced!
>
> Hector Guerra Polina

guerras in encarnacion de diaz

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Hola, marthaharo y todos, tambien muchos de mis Guerra's fueron baptizados en sm lagos y san Juan de lagos. Tal vez son de los mismos. Hojala nos puedemos hayudar.

Hector Guerra Polina.
California

Encarnacion de Diaz

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I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.

Hector Guerra Polina.
On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:

> Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally from
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a lot
> of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My curiosity
> for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age. I
> remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as possible
> in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I was
> 9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having the
> desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where I
> came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
> started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the 1800's
> and that was amazing!
>
> Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
> realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are out
> there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
> their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
> with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my past
> along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots. I
> already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I have
> been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you can
> help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help any of
> you, please do not hesitate to call on me.
>
> My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
> The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
> and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
> Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos is
> "Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
> Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)
>
> My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
> Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
> married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
> Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to Ma.
> Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona. De
> Santos is "Las Pilas"
>
> I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
> any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
> contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"
>
> If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
> greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
> Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!
>
> Thank you in advanced!
>
> Hector Guerra Polina
>

Encarnacion de Diaz

Comment

Yes, I normally would not recommend My Heritage, but I must say they have the
most user-friendly tree. I did try others and did not find them easy to
navigate. But then I'm new at this and do not have much experience. Just pay
for the simple My Heritage membership and do not pay for anything
else/extras--- reason being, they do not produce any needed info. Stay away
from Ancestry and most of the others as they charge way too much for very
little. I know...been there and done it. Family Search, which is run by the
Later Day Saints is free and they are most helpful. Nuestros Ranchos is free
and also very helpful. Hector, if you find a user-friendly website for a
family tree, let me know. Have you visited this Wikitree? Does it look easy to
navigate? I will be honest with you genealogy is not easy, at times very
frustrating---especially when you have to search through 2-300 pages to find a
"pariente" but in the end, it's like finding a treasure. Stick with the good
guys...they will help you.

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Hector Guerra
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 9:43:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz

I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.

Hector Guerra Polina.
On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:

Encarnacion de Diaz

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Hi Susan and welcome.

I've only been a member for a few months, but during that time I have everyone here to be very helpful. It seems you already have the info you were looking for. I'm going to post a link a that I have found extremely helpful when I don't know what parish is in the area. This directory has helped me a lot. I hope you find it helpful.

http://www.thecatholicdirectory.com/directory.cfm?useaction=search_dire… De Diaz

Juanita Henniger

Encarnacion de Diaz

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don't forget to try Rootsweb.com.. it's free and the work of other genealogists like me..
good luck in your search for your roots
Linda in Boulder City, Nv

________________________________
From: Ann M. Gutierrez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Hector Guerra
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 9:43:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz

I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.

Hector Guerra Polina.
On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:

Encarnacion de Diaz

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I like www.Geneanet.org the most. I have used all of the sites that exist.

Armando

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Hector Guerra wrote:

> I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
> advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.
>
> Hector Guerra Polina.
> On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally from
> > Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a lot
> > of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My
> curiosity
> > for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age.
> I
> > remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as
> possible
> > in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I was
> > 9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having
> the
> > desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where
> I
> > came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
> > started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the 1800's
> > and that was amazing!
> >
> > Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
> > realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are
> out
> > there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
> > their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
> > with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my
> past
> > along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots. I
> > already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I
> have
> > been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you can
> > help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help any
> of
> > you, please do not hesitate to call on me.
> >
> > My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
> > The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
> > and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
> > Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos
> is
> > "Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
> > Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)
> >
> > My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
> > Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
> > married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
> > Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to
> Ma.
> > Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona.
> De
> > Santos is "Las Pilas"
> >
> > I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
> > any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
> > contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"
> >
> > If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
> > greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
> > Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!
> >
> > Thank you in advanced!
> >
> > Hector Guerra Polina
> >

Encarnacion de Diaz

Comment

I like www.myheritage.com

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Armando wrote:

> I like www.Geneanet.org the most. I have used all of the sites that exist.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Hector Guerra wrote:
>
> > I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
> > advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.
> >
> > Hector Guerra Polina.
> > On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally
> from
> > > Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a
> lot
> > > of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My
> > curiosity
> > > for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young
> age.
> > I
> > > remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as
> > possible
> > > in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I
> was
> > > 9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having
> > the
> > > desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives
> where
> > I
> > > came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
> > > started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the
> 1800's
> > > and that was amazing!
> > >
> > > Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
> > > realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are
> > out
> > > there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others
> with
> > > their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a
> lot
> > > with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my
> > past
> > > along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots.
> I
> > > already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I
> > have
> > > been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you
> can
> > > help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help
> any
> > of
> > > you, please do not hesitate to call on me.
> > >
> > > My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De
> Santos.
> > > The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas
> Guerra)
> > > and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married
> Bernarda
> > > Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos
> > is
> > > "Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
> > > Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)
> > >
> > > My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and
> De
> > > Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
> > > married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
> > > Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to
> > Ma.
> > > Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona.
> > De
> > > Santos is "Las Pilas"
> > >
> > > I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions
> for
> > > any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
> > > contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"
> > >
> > > If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
> > > greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
> > > Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that
> Guerra!
> > >
> > > Thank you in advanced!
> > >
> > > Hector Guerra Polina
> > >
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Romero in Encarnacion de

Comment

Hi Susan and welcome to the group.

I have a Jose de la Paz Romero baptized on Feb. 1, 1881: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18687-85489-76?cc=1874591&wc…

father's name: Feliciano Romero
mother's name: Felipa Romo
paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Romero & Refugia Gonzalez
maternal grandparents: Antonio Romo & Julia de Alva
padrinos: Antonio Romo & Ynes Cornejo

On the margin it states that Jose de la Paz married Regina Zermeno on Aug. 1, 1908 in: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18532-4073-16?cc=1874591&wc=…

The marriage record states that prior to his marriage, Jose Paz lived in Clito [Clifton] Arizona, it also states that this marriage required a consanguinity dispensation (tercero con cuatro grado).

Best Regards
Agustin Perez

Romero in Encarnacion de Diaz

Comment

Hello Ernie,

You need to provide more info than that. What was the name of your father's
mother? Where did they marry? About what year? What were the names of your
father's siblings? Who did they marry and when? Those are all clues needed
in your search.

Armando

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Ernie Preciado <
ernie.preciado@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to Nuestros Ranchos and not sure how to begin. I am looking for
> information in the city of Encarnacion de Diaz for my deceased
> father's father (Paz Romero). He was born about 1880. Thank you.
>
> Susan Romero Preciado

Help with a surname

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Hello to everyone. Can anybody take a minute and check this record? I'm unsure on what a surname is:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18697-41774-98?cc=1874591&wc…

Comments

Help with a surname

Comment

Hi Steve,
Your record is on Image 49. If you go to the last record on Image 77 you will see them baptizing their daughter. The surname is more legible there and it seems to be Lambaren.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18697-45213-38?cc=1874591&wc…

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Help with a surname

Comment

Thanks so much! Lambaren makes sense, though I've never heard this surname before. I have a good feeling about researching this family Gutierrez Lambaren. If I confirm that Silvestre Gutierrez is related to my GGGmother Ysabel Gutierrez, that will help me add an aditional generation to my paternal family tree. By the way, I noticed the names of the godparents in the new baptism record you showed me on page 77. Antonio de Frias and Juana de Castro sound so awfully familiar on my mom's maternal line. I haven't been focused on these lines for a while, but I do have Frias and Castros in Zacoalco. It's so amazing to think how many of my ancestors from different lines interacted with each other in the past, unaware that a couple centuries later, their common ggggrandson would be looking for them.

Steve in NC

for anyone who has antonio miramontes and his wife teresa munoz on their tree

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i found a marriage dispensation for the couple. go to page 258 and read the right page carefully. you'll find how the couple relate to each other.

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Speechless

Comment

Wow...I was speechles when I read this dispensa, again. As you turn the pages, the amount of information is incredible. This is the first time I've seen this much ancestry information included in one dispensa.

Also, it appears to me that the first page of the dispensa is written by Antonio Miramontes, himself. It is written in first person and it sounds like Antonio is pleading his case. I was very moved by this. Can anyone help me confirm this?

Thanks!

P.S. Roy, the information in this dispensa confirms the suggestion I made to you via email.

for anyone who has antonio

Comment

Thanks, that confirms what I thought I knew.

Although Hernando de Haro and Lorenzo de Miramontes are brothers using different last names, they are both my 9X Great Grandfathers. I guess that makes me a cousin to myself?

Thanks

Comment

Katy,

This dispensation really helped me, and there are a few members here that have discussed this couple and may benefit from your work. I believe this dispensation proves that my ancestors, Antonio Miramontes and his wife Maria Theresa Munoz are cousins. Their common ancestor is their great great grandparents Juan Miramontes and Maria Haro y Saucedo.

Also, of much interest is the marriage dispensation you found of Francisco Guzman and Maria Teresa after Antonio Miramontes dies. This solved the mystery for me as to why Francisco Guzman was living in the house of Maria Theresa Munoz who is listed as a widow in the Tlaltenango census of 1754.

This connected my family tree to the Haro/Saucedo/Miramontes/Lopez/Ortiz de San Pedro/ Lopez de Ayala families.

Again, good job and thanks, because this helped prove some theories that I had been working on for some time.

Family Search

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Is Family Search down for anyone else?

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Family Search

Comment

George, that worked for me. Thanks.
Juanita Henniger

Family Search

Comment

I've been using it for the lasts 1/2 hr., no prob.
Raquel

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, wrote:

> Is Family Search down for anyone else?
>

Family Search

Comment

I've have been unable to access the home page for the past two days. "Sorry our site is temporarily down"

So, can someone please post the link to the Baptism Records of Tlaltenango - Film No. 443782?

Thanks in advance,
Roy

Family Search ... a suggestion

Comment

The maintenance window at Family Search seemed to take a long time. I discovered I could get to the site through another computer, but not at home. Which seemed odd.

At my home computer, I tried deleting my browsing history, and then was able to get back to the site right away. I am running Mozilla Firefox on a pc with Vista.

Try deleting your browser history, it may solve the problem.

By the way, Family Search is up and running now (8:13 PM, Pacific time).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Family Search ... a suggestion

Comment

Thanks everyone! I thought I was losing my mind. It's been down all week for me, but at work I could access the site. I'm having some difficulty. It seems to lead me to different websites and/or tells me it temporarily down. I'll try the different suggestions here. Thanks again.

Juanita Henniger

Family Search

Comment

On Tuesday past, it was down for quite a while and yesterday it was down for a
while. In fact, while I was on the website it went down. It is normally
stable, I guess there were too many of us searching.

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Raquel Ruiz
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 12:36:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search

I've been using it for the lasts 1/2 hr., no prob.
Raquel

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, wrote:

> Is Family Search down for anyone else?
>

Help locating this marriage record

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I was trying to locate the marriage record of Francisco Duran and Dorotea Lozano on family search.So they married on Feb 14 1776n in Nochistlan Zac ,Family Search seems to skip almost the whole year o

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Help locating this marriage

Comment

Hi,

I was unable to find this record. You can see that it goes from Feb 9 to March skipping the rest of the month. However it is pretty common to find records after the date they actually took place. I am sure you will find it somewhere in that microfilm as it is where the record was extracted from.

Please let us know if you haven't found it in some days and I will help you look into it.

Regards
Alejandro

Help locating this marriage

Comment

Well it seems I got lucky this time, I just found it on page 25.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-133-72?cc=1410092&wc=6…

Hope this helps.

Best Regards!

Locating the marriage record

Comment

Agomgar,

Thank you so much you saved me tons of time thanks alot.People just don't seem to help me anymore on this website , well thanks alot.

Document Sources

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I use Reunion 9 for my family tree information. What is the best way to cite a specific image, from the Family Search website?

Thanks

Comments

Thanks

Comment

Your help is appreciated. Both Victoriano and George brought up a couple of good points that may help me in citing my sources.

Document Sources

Comment

I would try to put enough information so you or anyone else can find again the document 20 years from now. You could put the web address but this may change in a few years.
I recommend putting: Familysearch.com; film number; country; state; city; parish; type of document (marriages, deaths, etc.); years the film covers; date of the event; image number.
Sometimes you can find the film number in the first few images of an online set, but some don't have it and some sets enclose more than one film.

Victoriano Navarro

Citing sources

Comment

Victoriano

Family Search provides some guidance. For example:

"Mexico, Chiapas, Catholic Church Records, 1558-1978." Images. FamilySearch. https://familysearch.org : accessed 2012. Citing Catholic Church. Mexico, Chiapas, Catholic Church records. Archivo Histórico Diocesano de San Cristobal, Chiapas, Mexico.

Other information you could add is the volume number and record type (eg, baptisms), or if no volume number, then the year range. The page number and entry number, if any, are also useful.

Some sources use folio number instead of page numbers; in which case you would cite the folio. In those cases it is common to use the terms "recto" and "verso" as appropriate. Terms "front" and "back" are just as good.

The film numbers have some utility, but are specific to the FHL, and really are unrelated to the true identifiers for the original records. They have value within the Family Search system only.

Image number and url are specific to the current version of Family Search, and aren't permanent. A couple of years ago, for example, Family Search would give the downloaded images a number (or file name). That has gone away, which is an indication of the lack of permanent of internet sources.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Dia de los Muertos

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Hola a todos.
And that is the extent of my Spanish for the day.
I am writing to ask if any of you do anything for Dia de los Muertos. Do you set up an ofrenda or participate in some kind of event?

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Dia de Muertos

Comment

Many people go to the graveyard to visit their loved ones who passed away. My sister sets up an ofrenda. I have some of the traditional sugar skulls and pan de muerto or dead bread with hot chocolate.
I also write calaveras for my siblings and some friends and cousins, which are limericks depicting their supposed passing away and how Death came to pick them. Many newspapers publish calaveras for living politicians, artists and other famous people, and in the schools and universities they set ofrendas and post calaveras for their teachers and students.

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

what does 'fojo 37' mean in this marriage record?

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when i was looking up the marriage record for marcial banuelos and mariana bonilla, i saw the text 'fojo 37' on the side. what does it mean?

you can see it here

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what does 'fojo 37' mean in

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It says "foja 37", which in modern Spanish would be "hoja 37" and in English "sheet 37". In those years many times they numbered the sheets of a book rather than each page. It seems to me they are referring to the 37th sheet of another book (probably the one with the full marriage information including the witnesses statements) rather than to the 37th sheet of that book.

Best,
Victoriano Navarro

what does 'fojo 37' mean in

Comment

thanks for answering my question. too bad i can't seem to find a marriage info. book that contains the year 1803 in it for colotlan

HACIENDA DE MIGUEL PICASO, PUEBLA, MX

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Good morning,

Can anyone, please, tell me about this Hacienda? Or a reference, or two? One of my Gomez abuelos was born there.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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HACIENDA DE MIGUEL PICASO,

Comment

Hi paul i met you in covina. i had a similar problem and i wrote the city hall of thattown in mexico and they sent me information back. Good luck.

Wonderful Visit to San José

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Joseph,

We too had a wonderful time and I thank you for taking the time to meet up with us. We know how busy you were with your family. You'll have to make it out here more frequently if you can.

mtDNA - yDNA

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I have watched with interest the membership activity in genetic testing and can only reiterate the caution some members have voiced.

Comments

mtDNA - yDNA

Comment

My youngest son is Robert Jauregui he tested with familytreedna, I liked this company better than Ancestry.com DNAHis results were YDNA Haplogroup:
R1b1a2 Shorthand:
R-M269
MtDNA Haplogroup - A My husband who is deceased grew up in Teocaltiche Jalisco Mexico and his mother Romo lived in Jalostotitlan Jalisco. We have gone back to 1609 Aracena, Adalucia Spain on my Fathers paternal grandmother Riojas side. My father Richard Rodriguez also tested YDNA Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223MtDNA Halogroup: A Still searching for more on the Jauregui & Rodriguez families.

Judy

Happiness is not based on your circumstances - it is based on your will !!!!!!

> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:57:33 +0000
> From: rayjaur@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA - yDNA
>
> I have watched with interest the membership activity in genetic testing and can only reiterate the caution some members have voiced. Know what you are looking for and be sure the testing firm has a good reputation. I would recommend those that are interested, to go to their library and get a copy of "The Real Eve" by Stephen Oppenheimer. He provides a comprehensive analysis of the genetic history of "modern man" and his journeys as he populated the world. He includes genetic trees and tables, which if you have some data already may be of some help. Some of the information in the book may surprise you.
>
> buena suerte............
> Ray Jauregui
> Sammamish, WA

The real eve documentary

Comment

The Real Eve" by Stephen Oppenheimer was produced by the Discovery Channel and you can see the 1.5 hr segment here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAXt2AUwPm0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I'm sure the book has more info but it's a quick fix on human migration...

Best,
Pauline

On Oct 15, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Judy Rodriguez Jauregui wrote:

>
> My youngest son is Robert Jauregui he tested with familytreedna, I liked this company better than Ancestry.com DNAHis results were YDNA Haplogroup:
> R1b1a2 Shorthand:
> R-M269
> MtDNA Haplogroup - A My husband who is deceased grew up in Teocaltiche Jalisco Mexico and his mother Romo lived in Jalostotitlan Jalisco. We have gone back to 1609 Aracena, Adalucia Spain on my Fathers paternal grandmother Riojas side. My father Richard Rodriguez also tested YDNA Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223MtDNA Halogroup: A Still searching for more on the Jauregui & Rodriguez families.
>
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>
> Happiness is not based on your circumstances - it is based on your will !!!!!!
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:57:33 +0000
>> From: rayjaur@comcast.net
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA - yDNA
>>
>> I have watched with interest the membership activity in genetic testing and can only reiterate the caution some members have voiced. Know what you are looking for and be sure the testing firm has a good reputation. I would recommend those that are interested, to go to their library and get a copy of "The Real Eve" by Stephen Oppenheimer. He provides a comprehensive analysis of the genetic history of "modern man" and his journeys as he populated the world. He includes genetic trees and tables, which if you have some data already may be of some help. Some of the information in the book may surprise you.
>>
>> buena suerte............
>> Ray Jauregui
>> Sammamish, WA

mtDNA - yDNA

Comment

Hi Judy, my Mother's family and my in-laws were also from the area of
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. In fact, so far I have traced my Mother's father back
to 1712. All the Gutierrez clan from around Jalos and Arandas, Jalisco. My
oldest son, tested with 23&Me, he test 92% European and 8% Asian. His Maternal
Haplogroup is A2. His Paternal Haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2C. The R1b1b2 is the
most common haplogroup in western Europe. How did you trace your ancestry to
Andalucia? Please let me know as I'm still searching also. Let's keep in
touch.

Ann M. Gutierrez
Chicago, IL

________________________________
From: Judy Rodriguez Jauregui
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 6:14:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA - yDNA

My youngest son is Robert Jauregui he tested with familytreedna, I liked this
company better than Ancestry.com DNAHis results were YDNA Haplogroup:

R1b1a2 Shorthand:
R-M269
MtDNA Haplogroup - A My husband who is deceased grew up in Teocaltiche Jalisco
Mexico and his mother Romo lived in Jalostotitlan Jalisco. We have gone back to
1609 Aracena, Adalucia Spain on my Fathers paternal grandmother Riojas side. My
father Richard Rodriguez also tested YDNA Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223MtDNA
Halogroup: A Still searching for more on the Jauregui & Rodriguez families.

Judy

Happiness is not based on your circumstances - it is based on your will !!!!!!

> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:57:33 +0000
> From: rayjaur@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA - yDNA
>
> I have watched with interest the membership activity in genetic testing and can
>only reiterate the caution some members have voiced. Know what you are looking
>for and be sure the testing firm has a good reputation. I would recommend those
>that are interested, to go to their library and get a copy of "The Real Eve" by
>Stephen Oppenheimer. He provides a comprehensive analysis of the genetic
>history of "modern man" and his journeys as he populated the world. He includes
>genetic trees and tables, which if you have some data already may be of some
>help. Some of the information in the book may surprise you.
>
>
> buena suerte............
> Ray Jauregui
> Sammamish, WA

mtDNA - yDNA

Comment

Ann,

R1b1b2a1a2C is also known as SRY2627+ it is found mostly in Spain and
France. It is a descendant of L176.2+. There is a combined FamilyTreeDNA
project for both of those subclades at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6/default.aspx?section=ycolori…

You can transfer your sons 23andme results to FamilyTreeDNA in order to
join the project. That would also give you a chance to join the Mexico DNA
project at http://garyfelix.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm (Takes a long
time to load)

There is a map of the frequency of subclade R1b1b2a1a2C SRY2627+ in Spain
at http://www.iberianroots.com/Images/spain%20R-SRY2627%20percent.png

You can see how all of the R1b subclades relate to each other at
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades

Armando

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Judy, my Mother's family and my in-laws were also from the area of
> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. In fact, so far I have traced my Mother's father
back
> to 1712. All the Gutierrez clan from around Jalos and Arandas, Jalisco.
My
> oldest son, tested with 23&Me, he test 92% European and 8% Asian. His
Maternal
> Haplogroup is A2. His Paternal Haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2C. The R1b1b2 is
the
> most common haplogroup in western Europe. How did you trace your
ancestry to
> Andalucia? Please let me know as I'm still searching also. Let's keep in
> touch.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
> Chicago, IL
>

mtDNA - yDNA

Comment

Hello Armando, thank you so much for all this information. I will access each
one and hopefully find a link! Thank you for thinking of me and sending this
valuable info. Have a great day.

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Armando
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Sat, October 20, 2012 5:23:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA - yDNA

Ann,

There is a map of the frequency of subclade R1b1b2a1a2C SRY2627+ in Spain
at http://www.iberianroots.com/Images/spain%20R-SRY2627%20percent.png

You can see how all of the R1b subclades relate to each other at
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades

Armando

mtDNA - yDNA

Comment

Judy,

If you get a Deep Clade test at FamilyTreeDNA for your son you will be able
to see what his subclade is. It can be ordered by clicking on the tab Order
an Upgrade. Once you find the subclade you can join a subclade project in
FamilyTreeDNA. You can see a list of subclades and how they relate to each
other at
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Judy Rodriguez Jauregui <
judyjauregui@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> My youngest son is Robert Jauregui he tested with familytreedna, I liked
> this company better than Ancestry.com DNAHis results were YDNA Haplogroup:
> R1b1a2 Shorthand:
> R-M269
> MtDNA Haplogroup - A My husband who is deceased grew up in Teocaltiche
> Jalisco Mexico and his mother Romo lived in Jalostotitlan Jalisco. We have
> gone back to 1609 Aracena, Adalucia Spain on my Fathers paternal
> grandmother Riojas side. My father Richard Rodriguez also tested YDNA
> Halogroup: I2b1 I-M223MtDNA Halogroup: A Still searching for more on the
> Jauregui & Rodriguez families.
>
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>
> Happiness is not based on your circumstances - it is based on your will
> !!!!!!
>
>
>