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My Great Grandfather is name Calixto Madera who is the son of Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Aproximate birth is 1856 in Rancho Jimulco? of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.

I found a Census (Padrones) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and all the surrounding ranchos of the year 1828 - 1830. I browsed the census searching for a Patricio Madera and found one in Rancho Ximulco:

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-6691-33?cc=1874591&wc=…

On Census of 1830 he is a Rancho Ximulco, 39 years old, married to Tomasa Munoz 36 years old. That would mean when Patricio had my great granfather Calixto Madera with Maria Dimas De La Paz around the year 1856, Patricio was 65 years old?

Using the age of Patricio of 39 years old in the 1830 Census of Rancho Ximulco of Huejuquilla. I checked the Bautismo records and found Patricio Madera registered as:

"Jose Patricio Madera" February 1792 son of Juan Benancio Madera/Maria Josefa Torre? Padrino - Jose De Jesus Escalante

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18434-46828-36?cc=1874591&wc…
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7817/greatgreatgrandfatherjo.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8076/josepatriciomadera1792.jpg

I have gone to the LDS family history center and scrolled through the microfilm of Padrones 1828 of the village of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico and all the surrounding Ranchos (So many of them) and nearby Hacienda San Antonio De Padua, Tenzompa, San Nicolas.

I already have done my family research back in the 1990's, wrote down dates, families, locations in my notebook which I still have. Also made copies back then. But I threw those copies away, but I still have my notebooks.

I re-ordered a microfilm that I specifically want to see a Census of a Rancho where my Madera Family is at and made copies just recently and will explain who is on it. There are a lot of Ranchos and also the census of Huejuquilla. I did not have the time to make copies of all of them as also there was someone using the only Digital Copier. So I managed to make copies of Rancho De Los Maderas.

Here is "Rancho De Los Maderas" 1828:

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NEED HELP IN WHAT ABBREVIATIONS MEAN? Also it lists age.

C = Casado
S = ?
P = Parbulo?
D = ?

In that first page, "Marcelo Madera" is the grandfather of Maria Clemencia Madera who is the wife of my great great grandfather Calixto Madera (Rancho Jimulco) and the father of Benito Madera - (Benito Madera is the father of Maria Clemencia Madera)

From my notebook - Marcelo Madera was baptized in 1780 by his parents Lasaro Madera and Micaela Perales. Residence is Rancho (Rincon De Los Maderas. Married Juana Ramirez

Benito Madera - was baptized by his Father Marcelo Madera and mother Juana Ramirez in 1836. Residence Rancho De Los Maderas. Benito Madera was married to Maria Estanislao Munoz

Maria Clemencia Madera is the daughter of Benito Madera/Maria Estanisloa Munoz - Residence Rancho (Rincon De Los Maderas.

Calixto Madera (residence Rancho Jimulco) is the husband of Maria Clemencia Madera and parents of Antonio Madera Madera.

Here is the title page as proof of Padrones of Huejuquilla El Alto 1828:

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Hola que tal estoy buscando informacion respecto al fallecimiento (o cualquier otro dato) de Miguel Villalobos Velazquez de Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Existe un acta de nacimiento que establece que nació el 14 de mayo de 1870 y que sus padres eran Bernardo Villalobos y Ygniacia Velazquez. El único dato que tengo por el momento es uno que proviene de un acta de nacimiento de un nieto de él de nombre Rafael Villalobos Rodriguez nacido en Tizayuca, Hidalgo el 3 de abril de 1909, (quien viene a ser mi bisabuelo) donde menciona que su padre Miguel Villalobos Rodriguez ya habia fallecido. Este dato quiere decir que tuvo que haber fallecido dentro de los nueve meses de embarazo de su esposa si no, no creo que se asentaría en el acta de nacimiento que era hijo natural de aquél. En cualquier caso, estoy buscando cualquier informacion respecto a este personaje (Miguel Villalobos Velazquez)y creo que pudo haber fallecido en Lagos, pero no estoy muy seguro. Gracias por su ayuda.

Twins baptised with the same name is the topic of my previous post with the name Maria Francisca del Rosario, not those two specific girl twins. Just wanted to make that clear...

Regards
Denise

Hello

I am going through baptisms for Aguascalientes in the late 1700's for espanoles. I came across something odd - baptism of twin girls (last name Guerrero) who are given the exact same name. Plus, in the entry immediately preceding, yet another girl (Gonzales) with the same given name:
Maria Francisca del Rosario.
That's three girls, same given names, same date of baptism (6 oct. 1795), all espanol. Here's the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-118649-3?cc=1410092&…

These have nothing to do with my research,but if both twin girls survived into adulthood and had children, it must have been confusing for them! And from our perspective, it might look like one Maria who had two husbands...

Has anyone ever seen anything like this?

Regards
Denise

Andres Fonseca and Petra Rodrigues had several children born in San Diego De Alejandria between 1819 and 1831 and maybe earlier although those records are missing. Andres' parents were Rafael Fonseca and Maria Antonia Santos. Does anyone know the probable travel route or city of origin of early San Diego De Alejandria families? Thanks. I would appreciate any assistance. Evie Villegas

Anyone else having problems with loading images from Family Search? Have they changes their website setup or something?

Denise

Joseph, I wish you a safe and pleasant trip and hope and pray your brother
recovers quickly.  God Bless.

 Ann M. Gutierrez

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, September 6, 2012 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Trip To San José

I’ll be travelling to San José to visit my brother as he recovers from a
very serious illness. The critical part of his illness is past but he has a
long road ahead to full recovery.

If it works out I plan on having lunch with Alicia Carrillo in San José
sometime during the 2nd week of October maybe the 11th or 12th if she is
free on one of those dates. I will be taking her to lunch at a small Vegan
restaurant The Happy Bamboo (http://www.happybamboo.com/). Let me know if
anyone else would like to join us and I’ll try to firm up the date.

Note: this will not be a genealogy related event just lunch with a friend or
two.

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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Saw an interesting article on Yahoo news. It's about time our music was respected and taught in Mexico!

http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-opening-first-mariachi-school-231919808.ht…

I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you all in advance.

I apologize for my previous post with out a topic line

I uploaded a doc with names of the Romos I came across while going through marriages of Aguascalientes (Sagrario) and baptisms of Calvillo (late 1700's). The links to images are of course also provided. If this has your interest, see under Member files, R, Romo notes, no relation to Romo of Nadadores. I meant to put it under my name (Denise Fastrup) but it shows up under R for Romo, not F for Fastrup.

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

I found this interesting death entry:

‎114 men died fighting the Spanish war on 11 Apr 1811 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Only 16 were identified. Attached is the death records image. It's the 3rd entry on the left side.

"114 muertos por las armas del Rey"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18454-53663-46?cc=1874591&wc…

Joseph de Leon

Hola Joseph,
I have my grandparents who migrated to New Mexico in 1912. My grandfather was a Martinez.
Sofia

> From: makas@nc.rr.com
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> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:09:17 -0400
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Montoya, Valdez(s), Quintana, Vigil, Martin(es)ez), Duran in New Mexico
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> Does anyone in the group have Montoya, Valdez(s), Quintana, Vigil,
> Martin(es)ez), Duran.
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> Who migrated to New Mexico? If so I have a contact person for you.
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> Joseph

In my last introduction, I did not have a genealogy file folder set up. It is located under "Stofleth" under the "Member Genealogies" link of the "Files" tab - or at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/azua-stofleth.

My wife's grandfather is from Rincon de Romos, Aquascalientes - his name was Joaquin Azua (1891-1984). Joaquin's wife was Domatila Guerra (1891-1969). I have traced their roots in this area back to the mid/early 16th Century. She also has northern New Mexico roots that extend back into Zacatecas and Jalisco. I will post these conncetions when I can make them tractable.

Please take a few moments to look at my file and see if there are connections with your own - I would be very interested in learning more about the history and population of this area.

I have spent many hours reading through scanned images on the LDS website for San Jose de Gracia - I think I know everyone by name by now who lived between 1800 and 1900 - OK, almost everyone; ...and am learning new Spanish/Portuguese words.

Thank you all for allowing us to join.

Jerry Stofleth, Paula Azua

message 2 2. Help reading baptism record from 1711 (rmcneal103@msn.com)
it reads"Joseph Feliz, espanol ( espl) hijo legitimo de Agustin Almaguer y Francisca ---mila Lopez , espanoles, vecinos de esta villa,padrinos Manuel Lopez y Maria Ximenes, espanoles vecinos de esta villa."that's it !!! julietamartha
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> I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
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> Thank you all in advance.
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> I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…
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> Thank you all in advance.
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> I apologize for my previous post with out a topic line
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> Sanchez-Castellanos
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> mocosoltero maybe is "mozo soltero", where "mozo" is to call the son that have the same name that the father and "soltero" is sigle.
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Baptism records for Maria de la Torre, Zacatecas?
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> What church records should I be searching to find a baptism record from 1827?
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> T.I.A.,
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I can't decode what this document is saying so if anyone one can please help.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-252-77?cc=1410092&wc=6…

Marriage of Nicolas Armas & Juana De Lcoalde
December 8 1678

Hello all,

I am doing research for my wife's family (and of course for my kids as well). My lineage is German on top of German, with a little German thrown in. However, my wife's parents hail from Aguascalientes (on her father's side) and Pecos, New Mexico (on her mother's side) - as it turns out however, there are many connections to Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco from the population of northern New Mexico, which is going to make this research even more interesting.

My wife's grandfather (Joaquin Azua) migrated to Gallup, New Mexico with his wife (Domatila Guerra) and three young children in 1925 from Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes. Joaquin was perportedly orphened when he was young and actually raised without knowledge of his parents - this from word of mouth within the Azua family. However, based on some rudimentary information: place of birth and birth year (which was not correct), I was able to find Joaquins baptism record by poring through scanned images on the LDS website for the Church at San Jose de Gracia - lots of work. I did eventually find his baptism record, and then his parents, paternal and maternal grandparents and padrinos. From that point I utilized the LDS records, transcribed and scanned, to build a tree for this side of the family.

Surnames on Joaquin's side are: Azua, Asua, de Asua, Delgadillo, Munoz, Ramires, Dias, Gutierrez, Pacheco, Herrera, Rodriquez, Lobato, Ramirez. Surnames on Domatila's side are: Guerra, Gonzalez, Soto, Moreno, Macias, Rios, Garcia, Martinez.

As it turns out, many of the family members from my wife's mother's side (Pecos, New Mexico) have roots in this same area of Mexico as well. For those of you who are not aware, northern New Mexico was settled by the influx of descendants of conquistadors - most have heritage connected directly back to Spanish lands grant, many were members of the 1598 Juan de Oñate campaign, and many others were members of the Don Diego de Vargas settlement after the Puebo Indian revolts. Several of these surnames can be traced back to Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco from the 14th and 15th centuries - I look forward to trying to make these connections more concrete, perhaps connect to the Francisco Coronado exploration.

Surnames from these Northern New Mexico settlements include: Vigil, Montes Vigil, Perez de Bustillo, Hurtado, Martin Barba, Garcia, Martin Serrano (Hernan Martin Serrano), Tellez Giron, de Zamora.

Thanks for allowing us to join the site, and we look forward to an interesting interaction.

Jerry Stofleth, Paula Azua

What church records should I be searching to find a baptism record from 1827?

T.I.A.,
Roy

I found a baptism record for my 6th great grandfather, Joseph Feliz Almaguer born 11 Dec 1711 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, but can't make heads or tails of the writing. If anyone would be willing to take a stab at it and let me know what they think I would really appreciate it. It is the first record on the upper left hand side of the page. The link is below.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-17799-65?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you all in advance.

Hello

Does anyone have a link to the church baptism records for espanoles for Aguascalientes in the late 1700's? I am searching the records for 1798 - 99 but it seems like they are for castas other than espanoles. I am trying to find the birth record for Manuel Romo, son of Don Raphael Romo and Raphaela Aguilar.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

De acuerdo al siguiente link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15265-27498-49?cc=1410092&wc… el primero de mayo de 1631 bajo dispensa matrimonial Antonio de Rivera vecino de Jerez y Maria de Solis en Tlaltenango. No se casaron sino hasta el 19 de febrero de 1632. Pero lo interesante es que en esta parte ponen como testigo a Juan de Miramontes, Geronimo Lopez de Talavera, Hernando de Haro, Lope Alvarez, Favian de Espinoza, Tomas Gonzalez,Gabriel Gonzalez y a Francisco Sanchez Castellanos. Este ultimo creo que vino como testigo de Antonio de Rivera, ya que los Sanchez Castellanos procedian originalmente de Jerez y fue probablemente hermano de Juan Sanchez Castellanos esposo de Tonasina de Haro.

Sabe alguien donde se puede encontrar esta dispensa matrimonial de 1631?

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Today while driving home from work, I was listening to NPR specifically to the California Report about a just published study in a science journal about the DNA findings of the Denisovens. To those of you who might be more experienced in DNA, this might be old news, but for me, this is new news. I came home straight to my computer to search for articles about our ancient ancestors, the Denisovens.

Alicia,
Northern California

Here's a brief intro into this article, I hope you find it as fascinating as I did.

THE Denisovans, mysterious cousins of the
Neanderthals, occupied a vast realm stretching from the chill expanse of Siberia to the steamy tropical forests of Indonesia - suggesting the
third human of the Pleistocene displayed a level of adaptability
previously thought to be unique to modern humans.
Our first tantalising glimpse of the Denisovans came last year with DNA analysis of a bone and tooth found in a Siberian cave. The DNA was distinct
enough from Neanderthals' to suggest tens of thousands of years of
independent evolution.
Before they disappeared, the Denisovans found time to interbreed with Homo sapiens. As a result, 5 per cent of the Denisovan genome lives on - not in the
inhabitants of Siberia but in Papua New Guineans, living thousands of
kilometres to the south-east (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature09710).

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128323.200-the-vast-asian-realm…

Does anyone know if there are any records for Piedras Negras Aguascalientes after 1902?. My grandmother was born in 1906 in Piedras Negras. I was hoping to find something that would lead me to my great grandmother's parents as we know very little about them. Thanks.

Iv'e been trying to look for these two individuals baptism records or marriage records but nothing.The only info that i have on them is the following Sebastian Munoz from La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas age 55 estimated birth year 1875.Maria Sostenes Aguirre resident of La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas age 45 estimated birth year 1885.I got this info from the census down below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPT9-PKY

So if anyone can help find the marriage or birth records of these ancestors of mine it will be appreciated as always.