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What does the Abreviated name stand for . Jph. Antta. found in a mexico Baptism record.

Research request for Vigil, de Herrera Cantillana, Jimenez de Ancizo and
unknown single woman in Zacatecas area
Confirmation of birth dates, baptisms, marriage dates
When they arrived in New Spain
Related history while in Zacatecas

Juan Montes Vigil, II was born in 1600 in Feligrasa de San Martino de Siero,
Castilla, Spain and died Before 1682 in Vecinos Mexico City. He sailed from
Spain and arrived in Nueva Espana in Jun 20 1611.
Father: Juan Montes Vigil, I was born in 1570 in Siero,
Asturias, Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date in Spain
Mother: Maria Vigil [de Vigil] was born About 1570 in
Siero, Asturias, Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date.
Catalina Vigil [de Herrera Cantillana] born in 1600 in San Martino de
Siero, Asturias, Spain, Married Juan Montes II Died in 1619 in Zacatecas New
Spain and died in 1682 in Mexico City, Districto Federal Mexico..
Father? Would like to know more about th de Herrera
Cantillana genealogoy
Mother?
Juan Montes Vigil, III was born in 1620 in Zacatecas New Spain and died in
Oct. 1682 in Zacatecas New Spain. He met Single Woman Unknown.
Who was the Mother of Francisco?
Who was in the household?
Francisco Montes Vigil was born in 1666 in El Real de Zacatecas, New Spain
and died on Sep. 11, 1730 in Santa Cruz Santa Fe New Mexico.
Maria Vigil [Jimenez de Ancizo] was born in 1668 ? in El Real Zacatecas
Married Francisco Montes Vigil 1682 or 1683? in Zacatecas New Spain. Nov.
19, 1745 in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico
Father? Would like to know more about Jimenez de Ancizo family
Mother?
children born to Francisco and Maria in Zacatecas
Domingo Montes Vigil 1693 Augas Calientes, Zacatecas
Maria De La Concepcion 1684
Were there any other family members or household who traveled with
them to New Mexico?
Children born in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico:
Pedro Policarpio Montes 1687
Manuel Montes 1701
Francisco Montes II 1702
Gertrudis Montes Vigil 1704
Juan Montes iv
Eloena

Thank you very much for your assistance! We are very excited to learn more
about our family!

Regards,
Tricia Carrillo, PMP
949 6831776
triciac@cox.net

Igesia San Jose, Calvillo,Ags. Bautismos. January 26, 1855. The image is Number 14 of 61 images entry No. 22. Ydelfonsa de Altagracia hija legitima de Refugio Lopez y Margarita Serna, The Abuelos Paternos, Victoriano Lopez y Petra Velasco. The Abuelos Maternos Jose Maria Serna y ********* Valdivia.
Any clarification appreciated, or other decendants of this Family

Buscando Informacion de una pareja que encontre los Bautismos de Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa del Refugio, Tabasco, Zacatecas. Ellos fueron los padrinos de Macedonio de La Cerna Sept. 14, 1814.

I am seeking any information on this couple that were mentioned as godparents for Macedonio de la Cerna at Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Tabasco, Zac.

Sept 14, 1814.

Again, thank you so much for your help. I am so happy. Helen
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From: arturoramos
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> Helen:
>
> Here is another interesting entry that may or may not be your ancestor but the
> dates seem to match and the fact that this woman's father's name was Tiburcio
> makes me think that the information in my previous message which was included in
> the IGI from an individual's pedigree rather than an actual extraction of a
> record may be incorrect... both Hermengildo's father's name and perhaps the
> location of the marriage.
>
> If this is the correct Simona Richarte, the name Tiburcio in your family comes
> from the Richarte side not the Femat side. You should also note that Femat is
> spelled Femad, Fermad, Fermat, etc. in the records.
>
> MARIA SIMONA RICHARTE MACIAS
> Christening: 23 FEB 1834 Cienega De Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico
> Father: TIBURCIO RICHARTE Family
> Mother: MICHAELA MACIAS
> IGI Batch: C607045 Film 0640156

Hello fellow reseachers

I found a marriage dispensa recently indexed, with the following information:

Don Pedro Romo de Vivar married to Dona Lorenza Tiscareno
Don Baltazar Romo (wife not named)
Don Joseph Cayetano Romo de Vivar married to Dona Juana de la Cruz, Martin del Campo
Don Ignacio Noverto Romo - pretenzo

Don Geronimo Romo de Vivar married to Dona Margarita Tiscareno
Don Joseph Romo (wife not named)
Dona Anna Romo de Vivar married to Don Joseph Manuel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza
Dona Anna Joachina de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza Romo de Vivar - pretenza

Pedro and Geronimo were brothers.
Lorenza and Margarita were sisters.
Testigos:
Don Francisco Moran de Ledesma
Don Thomas Gonzales de Hermosillo
Don Joseph Gonzales de Hermosillo (77 years old!)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-13192-65?cc=1874591&wc…
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Guadalajara
Diócesis de Guadalajara
Matrimonios 1653-1829
Image 354 of 625

Maybe no one is looking for this, but who knows?
The intersting thing is that the people who are the subject of the dispensa are described as "nobles de notarias obligaciones" and it is also stated that they have serious problems finding a suitable partner because they are each related to the other noble families of the region. This may be of interest to those who descend from Ana Gabay (could it be referring to Petronila de Moctezuma?) or maybe its a reference to the Hurtado de Mendoza line?

I am still trying to find out if Don Raphael Romo - father of Don Miguel Romo of Aguascalientes but married in Nadadores - is the same as Don Raphael Femat of Zacatecas/Ojocalientes. Currently searching the Informaciones Matrimoniales for Zacatecas 1792-93 (have searched 93-94 and 94-95) for a proposed marriage with Joachina de Salas. She was Raphael Femats second wife, and his first wifes name should be mentioned there. If it is Rafaela Aguilar (Miguel Romo's mother, and he is listed as hijo lexitimo in his marriage record), that would solve the mystery for me, and I would also know how this Raphael links up to the Romos of Aguascalientes. If its not, back to square one!

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Hi everybody,

I have decided that i want to help index dispensas records.I sent a message to the Guadalajara Dispensas email but they have not replied and it's been a week already.I also want to help index baptisms and marriage records for Nochistlan from the years 1900 and up ,but I have no clue where to go.Can someone please help me and show me a direction to get me started in indexing?

Buenas tardes,

Estoy buscando información sobre DIEGO MACIAS VALADEZ, casado con Tomasa de Chavez, el 12 de febrero de 1673 en Aguascalientes.
Ella es hija de Pedro Fragoso de Chávez y María López de Nava. Los padres de Diego aún no los he encontrado, pero sospecho podrían ser Nicolás Macías Valadez y María de Sordia.
Sus hijos nacieron y casaron en Teocaltiche y Nochistlán.

Saludos!
Alejandro G. García

Hi there team,

I'm having such a hard time reading and understanding this dispensa so if anyone can please help thanks.=]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-93397-56?cc=1874591&wc…

Pioquinto Garcia & Estefana De Yslas

The baptism is 25 May 1860. It's in Family Search. You have to order the index C60385-9.

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1. Chavez (Bernie Chavez, Jr.)
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3. Re: Chavez (Misty)
4. Re: Chavez (Esther Jordan)
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Hi. My name is Bernie Chavez.I am researching My familywhich are from the area around Guadalajara, Jalisco. Specifically, my great-grandfather, Bernardino Chavez and his parents, Cenofio Chavez and Cristina (Magallanes) Chavez all lived in this area.
Bernardino was, according to family lore, cristened In May of 1860 in the Parroquia de San Jose de Analco in Guadalajara. Not much else is known about his life in Mexico apart from that. We do know that he crossed the border around the time of the revolution, 1909 or 1910.
My great grandmother, Luz (Mendoza) Chavez was born in or around 1891 to Eleno and Cruzita Mendoza. again, not much is known of her, either. We are sure that she lived in Jalisco, but most family stories about her are not clear where in the state.
I would greatly appreciate any help you have to offer.
thanks,
Bernie Chavez

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Welcome to our group Bernie. I'm glad to have a fellow Chavez working with us. My Chaves line is from Atoyac and Teocuitatlan de Corona in Jalisco ...
about an hour west of Guadalajara, hopefully we can make some sort of connection.

Your message speaks of family lore ... have you found his baptismal record yet?

-Angelina-

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Bernie...Welcome to the group.

I found a marriage record for Cenobio Chavez and Cristina Magallanas
29 December 1858 - in Guadalajara - San Jose de Analco -film M603868

They are also listed in Matrimonios 1857-1868 - from the heading of Guadalajara then Parroquia de San Jose de Analco - Image 550 -

I am unable to decipher the names of the parents of Cenobio & Christina, who are listed in this document hopefully, one of the primos on Nuestros Ranchos can be of further assistance in reading the document.

Best wishes in your new journey.....
Helyn

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chavez

I just wanted to let you all know that Dr. Jean Stuntz' Speech for the
Los Béxareños August meeting is available on the Nuestra Familia Unida
podcast project:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/mujer.html

Please listen to this very informative speech on her book, Hers, His,
and Theirs: Community Property Law in Spain and Early Texas (Lubbock:
Texas Tech University Press, 2005), the history of San Antonio, and some
of the myths concerning Hispanic contribution to US history.

. . .While you are in the "Mujer" section of the podcast listen to Dr.
Frances Karttunen's "Rethinking Malinche" presentation that will
definitely give you some realistic ideas of the situation in which Doña
Marina found herself.

Also navigate around the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site and listen
to other audio related to Latin American History. If you can think of
individuals that hold knowledge of our history I would ask that you
forward them my invitation to participate in the podcast.

The audio should play if you just click on the URL on the webpage, but
If anyone has any problems listening to or downloading the audio please
try right clicking on the URL on the site and saving to your Desktop.
Once it's downloaded then right click again and choose "open with" and
then choose whatever Audio program you are using on your computer:
iTunes, Windows Media Player, QuickTime, RealAudioPlayer, MusicMatch,
etc. or you can email me for more help: makas@nc.rr.com

thanks,

Joseph Puentes
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com

ps: consider joining the planning committee for the NFU podcast project:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/

The online films for marriages for Ojo Calientes, Zacatecas date from 1861, which is consistent with the LDS Family History Library catalog. Matrimonial investigations exist (and are online) from the early 1700s.

Do the early marriage records exist?

George Fulton

En La Parroquia del Sagrario á treinta de Setiembre de mil ochocientos ochocenta y nueve, el Pbro. D. Esteban Alvares, de licentia Parochi, Bautismo solemente á una nina nacida en Zacatecas el treinta de Agosto á las Cuatro de la manana; hija legitima de Jose Ynes Rodriguez y de Geronima Ramirez y á quien puso por nombre Rosa. Abuelos Patemos Juan y Francisca Alva. Abuelos Matemos Ygnacio y Teofila Espinosa P. Horberto Guzman y Serapia del mismo apellida.

I may have some words spelled miscorrectly. Is it saying that Horberto Guzman and Serapia have same surnames or is it Rodriguez and why does it mention them after Teofila P. Espinosa? Thank you for your help. Monica

Hi everyone,

I found the death certificate of my 3rd great grandfather he died in (1913). On the record it says he was a comerciante. This surprised me because this is the first ancestor that I have found where labrador or jornalero is not listed as the profession.. Does any one know how important or significant the profession of comerciante was in the early 1900's?

Thanks,

Rafael

Just wondering - I found the marriage record (1688) where both my 8th GGF and GGM are listed as children of the church. Does anyone know the significance of this? Are they orphans? Did they come over from Spain with the Church? This is the first record that I find with this mention.

Thanks,

Ed

Espanol

Tengo curiosidad. Encontre el matrimonio de mis abuelos en 1688 - y tienen en el resumen del matrimonio como "hijo (e hija) de la iglesia." Esta es la primera vez que encuentro un documento que dice esto. Saben el significado? Son huerfanos? O vinieron de Espana con la iglesia? Esta es la primera vez que veo algo asi.

Gracias,

Eduardo

The above-captioned individuals are padrinos at the baptism of Carlos Ximénes de Castro in Lagos de Moreno in 1648; can anyone shed some documented light on who they are, and what relationship they have to the infant, Carlos, hijo legitimo de Antonio Ximénes de Castro y de Doña María Lópes de Lara?

Saludos,
Lawrence Bouett

I've been recently thinking about ordering certain microfilms from FamilySearch to view them at my local Family History Center. I am new to Family History Centers and therefore I do not know the process of viewing ordered films at a Family History Center. Could anyone explain to me the process of viewing ordered films at a local Family History Center? Do you use computers to view them?

Thanks,
V.Q.C.

I have a marriage record that I'm having a bit of trouble reading. It's the first complete record on the left-hand page on FHL Film 220404, image 466 (the complete link is at the end of this message).

This is the marriage of Juan de Torres Villabana and Fabiana Ximénes de Castro. My interpretation, beginning near the end of the second line of text (slashes indicate line breaks and elipsis in brackets indicates unknown words or phrases):

... el alferes /
Juan de torres [...] de la ciudad de San Luis. con /
lisensia que trato [...] lijitimo [...] hijo lijitimo /
de Juº de torres villabana en [...] /
[...] de San Luis i de dª ysabel [...] con dª fa /
biana Jimenes de Castro donsella ...

and so on; the rest I understand.

I have to say that this particular priest's handwriting is brutal! :-)

Here's the complete link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-22943-14?cc=1874591&wc=12506705

Gracias y salutos,
Lawrence Bouett

Hi there every one,

So today I have hit a brick with the ancestor of mine (Fabian Rodriguez Santana) he married 3 time, and in all of three of those marriages Fabians parents are not mentioned at all.I have looked through all the baptism available and found padrinos with the same surname as fabian (Rodriguez Santana)Juan Rodriguez Santana & Gertudis Rodriguez Santana.What can I do next any suggestions?

1)Fabian Rodriguez & Margarita Perez De Gardea
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-50955-59?cc=1410092&wc…

2)Fabian Rodriguez & Bernarda Ramirez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-44093-23?cc=1410092&wc…

3)Fabian Rodriguez & Manuela Ximenez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-45886-40?cc=1410092&wc…

i've seen trees state that his parents were hernan gonzales and maria cid caldera. i can't seem to find their marriage record. is there any dispensation connecting him to maria cid caldera. the reason why I ask this is because this pedro cid caldera seem to start having kids in the 1640's. if he was the same pedro cid caldera mention in miguel caldera's will, he would've most likely been in his 60's(or possibly even older) when he got married for the first time with maria carrillo(assuming she was his first wife). normally if someone that old(if they were lucky enough to live that long) was getting married, it was their 2nd, 3rd time etc. getting married.

because of this, i woner if the pedro cid caldera who married maria carrillo might not be the the same pedro who was stated in miguel's will.

sorry for spamming this board with questions related to the cid caldera family. the research i've done on this family has left me with a quite a bit of questions since some parts are quite sketchy(like if miguel and maria are full or half siblings)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18405-8602-36?cc=1874591&wc=…

i get that pedro cid caldera and his wife had a daughter named josefa who married a jose roman, and their daughter teresa married an luis munoz, and the had a daughter named matiana. the part after is what's confusing. are pedro cid caldera and maria carrillo both francisca's parents, or is only one of them a biological parent of hers. if so, which one is?

Hi Josie,

My Cuellar line starts with Antonio de Cuellar and Josepha Macias in the late 17th century in Aguascalientes. Then my it moved to Santa Maria de los Lagos and ended in Encarnacion de Diaz at the end of the 18th century where they stayed until my line came to America (Texas) in 1903. I can send you the whole line if you think it might connect to yours.

Chris

Christopher de Cuellar

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On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:07 PM, general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Joseph,
> It really has been. And, I feel I'm a part of something important. And, thanks to Nuestros Ranchos, I feel I'm a part of history. A few months ago, my family tree was just a few people, and now it's growing and growing every day. And, even though I grew up knowing very little about my family, one day, because of this site, I'll be able to pass on to my children their history and heritage and who they are and where they came from. Being a part of this group has filled me with a tremendous amount of pride.
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> Christopher de Cuellar

Christopher,

Where are your ancestors from? I also have the Cuellar line in my genealogy. Thanks!

Josie Trevino Trevino

Joseph,

It really has been. And, I feel I'm a part of something important. And, thanks to Nuestros Ranchos, I feel I'm a part of history. A few months ago, my family tree was just a few people, and now it's growing and growing every day. And, even though I grew up knowing very little about my family, one day, because of this site, I'll be able to pass on to my children their history and heritage and who they are and where they came from. Being a part of this group has filled me with a tremendous amount of pride.

Christopher de Cuellar

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Hello, I'm needing help to find Jose Ynes Rodriguez's birth and death record. I found his marriage document in Zacatecas, Mexico on 9 November 1888. He was a shoe maker in Zactecas, Zacatecas. His father is Juan Rodriguez and mother is Franscisca Santos who I am also looking for who were both deceased by 1888. This is the link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22164-19088-79?cc=1916240…. In a Baptism document of his Granddaughter Rosa Rodriguez their name are listed different as Juan Alva and Fran. Ca Alva. I am not sure why ? Here is the link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15529-94487-18?cc=1410092&wc…. I have search record on Family search but may have over looked them since the writing is sometimes hard to read. Thank you so much, Monica Torres-Rice